My Cary PH 302 phono amp MM hum?


My Cary tubed PH 302 phono amp sounds great running an Ortofon Rondo Blue through the Moving Coil section but it has developed a hum with my Shure V15 III in the MM input. I have experimented with all the usual suspects that can be related to ground loop feedback. So far nothing has worked. The tubes test perfect. I have the same hum with a variety of cartridges and turntables. Has anyone had this problem with this phono stage? Thanks.
Sharpe
sharpe
I have a PH302 and use the MM input with an external SUT. It has always been very quiet and hum free.

Maybe the transformer input of the MC input is providing a break in the ground loop - I'd still be suspecting a ground loop of some sort. Since I star earthed all my electronics off the same wall socket, I've had zero problems in this regard.

There is a ground lift switch on the rear of the PH302. You could try this, but it made no difference in my setup.

Is the hum in both channels or just one?
If only one, perhaps there is a 'dry' solder joint in the MM input. I've experienced this issue before with another preamp - resoldering a joint on a relay fixed the issue. If the hum is in both channels, this is probably less likely (ie there would have to be 2 faulty joints, you'd have to be unlucky).
Thanks for your reply. Sorry for my ignorance but what is an "external SUT"? Also not quite clear on a "star earth". I do notice a little more noise coming from the right speaker. And it seems less loud when I don't have the TT ground wire connected. I played with the fixed and floating ground and also found it made no difference. Thanks for the suggestions on the on the MM solder joints. I will check those.
A SUT is a Step Up Transformer, typically used for low output MC cartridges.
03-02-12: Sharpe
Thanks for your reply. Sorry for my ignorance but what is an "external SUT"? Also not quite clear on a "star earth". I do notice a little more noise coming from the right speaker. And it seems less loud when I don't have the TT ground wire connected. I played with the fixed and floating ground and also found it made no difference. Thanks for the suggestions on the on the MM solder joints. I will check those.

Definitely experiment with the turntable earth wire.
If you are using separate mains receptacles try connecting all components to the same socket.

Star earthed means all the earths wires are the same length and connected back to the same point. I have made all my (DIY) power cables conform to this and connect back to the same point on my dedicated line. The idea is that this will give the same (low) resistance/impedance in the mains earth leads and discourage stray currents from running over component interconnects etc. - forming ground loops. I have no such problems.

I still suspect a ground loop. I only mentioned the solder joints because I have experienced that issue and it resulted in hum.
Hello Tobes, I have the original PH-302 and I wanted to ask your advice on changing the tubes. I see that you're using Sylvania 1968 era. What do you think of Sylvania 1944 army military VT-229/6SL7 GT?