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Trans Fi Salvation direct rim drive turntable

Hi A'goners, I've just bought this turntable, confident it'll be my last upgrade. The rest of my system is a Tom Evans Groove Plus SRX phono stage, EMM Labs CDSA SE cd player, Hovland HP200 pre/Radia power amps, Zu Definitions Mk 4 loudspeakers, so a pretty good way to listen to vinyl.

Over the years, since 1995 I've progressed from a Roksan Xerxes/Artemiz/Shiraz, via a Michell Orbe/SME V/Transfiguration Orpheus, finally ending up last week with my new Trans Fi Salvation/Trans Fi T3Pro Terminator/Zu modded Denon 103.

This turntable (£2500 UK price, approx $4000-$5000 US) is the brainchild of Vic, a retired dentist, who, fed up with the shortcomings of belt drive and traditionally-pivoted tone arms, literally from the ground up devised first the Terminator air bearing linear tracking tone arm (now in T3Pro guise as on my system), and now the direct rim drive Salvation turntable, a technology in direct opposition to the hegemony of belt drive we've come to accept from the '70s.

In summary, he has developed a motor that directly rim drives an oversize platter. The magic is that vibrations are drained away from the platter and hence stylus. So minimal rumble is transmitted, the weakness of Garrards/Lencos in the past. This is mated to a substantial slate plinth which does a great job of isolating the whole rig from external vibrations.

Where this differs from direct drive is that the torque applied is high enough to counteract stylus drag, but it is strictly analogue controlled ie no digital feedback applying constant micro speed control. Speed is set correctly, torque is sufficient, and speed stability is like a rock.

This is combined with his air bearing linear tracking arm, discussed on other threads.

So technical description over, how about how it sounds? Well, years ago I always assumed the overhang in bass when playing lps on my previous belt drive/pivoted arm tts, apparent as a benign artifact, was all part of the 'romance' of vinyl, esp. when compared to the dry, clinical sound of early cd. But in 2007 I acquired the EMM cd, which had a natural analogue sound playing silver discs, but none of this bass colouration. On studying the growing reemergence of idler/direct drive, and their superiority in maintaining speed stability, I agreed that the belt speed instability might be introducing this.

Two years ago I came across Vic, and now I can report that eliminating the belt for high torque rim drive has taken this whole artifact out of the equation. Whole layers of previously masked information like rhythm guitars are now present, treble information has abundant naturalness and decay, and bass, which appears to be less in quantity compared to belt, is actually more accurate with a real start-stop quality, much more like digital, and the real thing. The other positives are more linked to the arm, including uncanny tracking across the whole record side; I'm really not exaggerating in saying that the last few grooves at the end of an lp side are as solidly reproduced as the first. Music with strong dynamic contrasts are really served well by the Salvation, and I am shocked at how good this all is after trepidation that the sound might be hyperdetailed but too assertive etc. In fact music is reproduced with a relaxed incision, and a welcoming detailed transparency.

The amazing thing is that all of this is not in anyway at the expense of the natural warmth and tonal dimensionality that still puts vinyl way ahead of any digital (imho).

The only thing, and Vic would like this to be known, is that his creation is a cottage industry, and he can only produce limited numbers to order.

I'm happy to answer qs on it, as I really want our community to know about a possible world beating product at real world prices. My tech knowledge will be limited, but no problem discussing sound quality issues.

I'm not affiliated in anyway to the product, just sold my Orbe on ebay and bought this. Regards to all
spiritofmusic
spiritofmusic OP
828 posts
 
Lewm, promote in this case means 'encouraging the flourishing of' the Salvation, not neccesarily 'encouraging the sales of' said item (check dictionary.com), although I believe it deserves to. So, a subtle, but important, use of the English language.
Sorry you think I'm a bit shrill here, in fact the designer often tells me to stop wasting my time on such forum boards, and I don't believe he's actually had specific sales as a result of my words.
My comment to you was bringing discussion of the Trio with no reference to the subject of the thread. If there was a discussion on eg Krell amps and mention was made of another make eg Dartzeel, but not as a comparison or other relevant connection, I don't quite see the point. But that's just me.
Sorry also you feel the thread is boring - no need to stress this quite so strongly. And if it is, why spend any time on it?
My wish is only to promote (yes, that word again) a true giant killer in the world of audio, in technical, sound quality and VFM terms.
Just felt the audio world might like to hear about it.
thekong
203 posts
 
I very much agree with Lewm on the subject. While it was mentioned time after time what a giant killer the Salvation/Terminator combo was, there was not much direct comparison with other TTs other than the Orbe/SMEV.

While not a bad combo, the Orbe/SMEV (which I had), is just not on the same level as other highly respected TTs, such as the Rockport Sirius III and Capella II, Technics SP10 MK2 and MK3, Exclusive P3, modified slate plinthed PTP Lenco etc, just to mentioned a few that I have personally auditioned.

I am not trying to belittle the Salvation/Terminator combo, as I also got one from the manufacturer, even though I have yet to set it up. My good friend from Lenco Heaven is also a good friend of Vic, and he actually offered some useful suggestions toward the creation of the Tomahawk wand.

I have no doubt that it would be at the similar level (maybe higher) as a modified slate plinthed PTP Lenco, but saying it “better” other TTs mentioned above without any direct comparison would make me a bit skeptical.

The truth is, any of these TTs have their own characteristics, and it all depends on the owner’s preference to choose the one (or a few) that he likes.

Trying to promote a new brand with potentially high performance-to-price ratio is a good thing, but keep bombarding the audience with the same basic message time after time may actually have a negative effect. I have seen that happened with other products, which caused me to loss interest in even trying them out!
spiritofmusic OP
828 posts
 
Thekong, I totally concur. I haven't made a direct a-b in my system with other top tts, I've had to listen to top tts in a variety of different setups, so the comparison is maybe unfair.
I was ready to drop some serious money on an SME 20 or TW Acustic AC3, but it says something for this tt that I chose it over more celebrated brands.
Convinced the synergy between tt and arm makes a big difference.
But I'm not going to say this tt is definitively better, that would be churlish.
However, PLEASE get your Salvation/Terminator up and running, I'm desperate for someone to back up my views, ha ha!
lewm
13,043 posts
 
Dear Spirit, In retrospect I fear I was too harsh in my response. But the basic idea I wanted to convey is still my position. Most long-lasting threads have either asked a question or posited a general issue that many of us have had some direct experience confronting. Here, you are the one of us who owns the Salvation turntable. So there's not much for any of us to say about.... the Salvation turntable. So the thread has drifted toward the discussion of other turntables that have a remote resemblance to the Salvation, but only a remote one for sure. I do say and have said that I am a big fan of the Terminator tonearm and of Vic as a person. I am quite sure he put a large portion of his considerable wits into the design of his turntable, as well. It might be more engaging if you could find a flaw and talk about that.
spiritofmusic OP
828 posts
 
Lewm, that's a very reasonable response. Beats the other thread I originated some months ago, where the first reply accused me of dishonesty, I was rude right back, and the whole thread got terminated!
The only 'flaw' to speak of is a very different presentation to music which in a lot of systems, and to a lot of listeners, may prove to be too uncompromising.
The combination of absence of belt drive time domain smear, which I believe to be maximised by the high torque administered by the direct rim drive motor, and reduction in tracking/tangential error by the linear tracking arm, results in a very neutral, uncoloured sound.
What was always present as an inviting warm colouration in my Orbe/SME V, I now believe in retrospect to be a layer obscuring a lot of detail buried in the grooves.
BUT, this very absence of warmth may be too much of a shock to listeners, since there is now a strong similarity in my analogue music presentation to digital presentation in the music. However, this is only superficial. Reduction of euphonic warmth reveals the full bloom of analogue that digital just can't match.
The facinating thing is that such unvarnished neutrality/detail retrieval can invoke two opposing reactions - some may well find it cold and challenging; others like me will find it totally refreshing, and redraw the landscape to position analogue ahead of digital, even in these days of improving downloads sound quality.
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