Valve phono or valve linestage?


Which do you consider more influential in the creation of the purist 'valve' pluses such as....transparency, harmonic richness, three dimensional realism and soundstage?
I lived with a top valve preamp (which included a phono section) for 25 years.
The last 5 years I've had a top SS preamp (including phono section) but have recently re-installed the 'old' valve preamp and can hear the differences.
What I don't know is......which stage is providing the greatest contribution?
halcro
It's really hard to answer your question. If there is a difference, it might be related to either (sub-)component or both together.

In making the call as to which component should be tubes, it would seem logical to test a number of different combinations. Component matching could make a considerable difference in performance of individual components. Some tube equipment requires a high input impedance of downstream components so it can drive them properly. Sometimes a slight brightness of one component works will with a darker sounding second component. Some phono stages just work better with some cartridges than others. Some tube preamps may have trouble driving particular solid state amps but work well with most tube amps.

It may take a while, but the only real way to know for sure is to listen to various combinations in your own system with YOUR source(s), YOUR amps and YOUR speakers.

I agree that once musical detail is lost, there is no way to recover it.
Like Atmasphere, I say "BOTH" should be tubes. Plenty of quiet tube phono stages exist, and the harmonic development improvement is too important to leave behind.
Dear Raul,
Thanks for your input.
I know how you feel about 'tubes'......but I simply do not agree with you based on listening in my own system?
Yes....I agree that there is a slight diminution in bass depth and control compared to the very best SS....but with the Kebschull it's not enough to concern me.
I have listened to many SS preamps in my system including Electrocompaniet, Gryphon, Naim, Plinius and have heard the top MBL and Soulution gear.
The Halcro DM10 preamp comes the closest to matching the 'magic' of the Kebschull valves and does the least 'damage' of any SS I've listened to?
It does however......not quite capture the transparent holography of the tubes?
It certainly has other advantages over tubes which I have to weigh up?
But soundwise....IMHO....tubes rule.
It may take a while, but the only real way to know for sure is to listen to various combinations in your own system with YOUR source(s), YOUR amps and YOUR speakers.
Couldn't agree more Bp......but seeing most tube units I'm interested in are USA made....and usually 'Made to Order'.....and have no representation in Australia......I defy you to find Atmasphere, Vac or Aesthetix preamps to 'trial' at home?
That may be. I know Keith Herron, Herron Audio, has at least one dealer in Australia. He makes a top drawer tube phono stage that seems to integrate pretty well with either solid state or tube pre-amps. Likewise, he makes an excellent tube pre-amp. They are enormously good together especially with his [solid state] amps.

Maybe you could find his dealer and ask for a home audition.

Disclosure: All of my electronics (including my CD player) are built by Herron Audio. I am a VERY SATISFIED Herron Audio user and customer. I have not heard better.