Direct drive vs belt vs rim vs idler arm


Is one TT type inherently better than another? I see the rim drive VPI praised in the forum as well as the old idler arm. I've only experienced a direct drive Denon and a belt driven VPI Classic.
rockyboy
Jazdoc
I agree totally with you. There are many other important parameters that must be addressed in a TT design

To state the obvious. A complete TT assembly including arm and cart is a machine that measures tiny movement with respect to time.
Over the years I have built maybe 10 TTs from the ground up, BD and DD. plus a few arms.
The conclusions drawn from this experience which parallels much written in the various forums here is this. If we are seeking the unatainable goal of perfection a TT must..,,

1) have absolute speed stability under all load conditions.
2) have absolute dimensional stability between platter and arm support.
3) be absolutely still, with total immunity from external movement.

Obviously there are other considerations, but these seem to be the core requirements

For example we would fail requirement 2) if there was any bearing noise, as this would cause dimensional instability since it would be moving the platter about.

Ct0517 the TT under test was a Goldmund studio with a Syrinx PU3 arm and I think a Monster 2000 MC cartridge.
I agree it was an astonishing finding which clearly demonstrated the effect of stylus drag. I hasten to add that I am in no way criticizing the Goldmund. It was simply correctly doing what it was designed to do. From memory it had a 2.5 kg platter with lead weights around its circumference. Thus for its weight, the platter had a relatively high moment of inertia.

The conclusion drawn from this test however would indicate that some form of real time speed monitoring and correction regardless of drive method, should be employed if we are to satisfy condition 1)
It is up to the listener to decide if this level of speed stability is necessary and can be engineered in such a way as to be benign.
For me the answer is yes and yes.
Richard mentions the issue of 'Stylus Drag' which many think is an exaggerated myth?
On Timeline's own YouTube video.......using a Transrotor belt-drive turntable with a heavy platter (and high inertia).......notice at the end, how after the speed has been corrected according to the Timeline......when the tonearm drops on the record, the speed immediately slows HERE
With the Victor TT-101 DD turntable however.......notice the complete lack of 'stylus drag' even with two or three tonearms in operation HERE
Please forgive the amateurish video technique as I held my iPhone whilst talking and 'acting' :-(
The iPhone app filters out the record runout. Easy to do since record runout has a 1.8 second period. And I go right back to the record runout issue. Record speed accuracy is at least an order of magnitude worse than any high end table made today. Sure, you might loose between zero to 1/3 of a rotation during one side of record play (approx 833 rotations total). So what? Don't tell me anyone can hear that. WoW&Flutter is more critical an issue and that gets back to the motor quality and it's speed control circuits. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't believe drive types matter that much regarding speed accuracy. I think drive types affect the sound character of the turntable as much as all of the other design features of a given turntable such as plinth, mass, and dissapation of vibrational energy. If Wow&Flutter is <0.05% then it is all about the record and how the table/tonearm extracts the information. I just can't get past the fact that the record center hole accuracy produces a Wow&Flutter in the 0.5% range. Without a self centering tt/platter design, that number cannot be bested.
Dear Richardkrebs: I agree with Jazdoc too. There are several targets on a whole TT design and certainly what you posted:

+++++ " have absolute speed stability under all load conditions. " +++++

is a primary one but is only one link/part of the TT design and execution design. As you said: TT bearing is critical, platter weight and motor match, arm board design, platter build materials, plinth build materials, arm board build materials, mat ( if any ) build materials, drive system, motor choosed, TT footers, damping/drain vibrations/resonances, etc, etc.

Good to read your posts and other people ones that in many ways what we read it in this tread ( at least for me ) was/is a learning one.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
and we have to remember that that ideal/perfect TT design main target is to: FULFIL THE LP/CARTRIDGE NEEDS and not only to take money for we the customers.

R.