James Randi vs. Anjou Pear - once and for all


(Via Gizmodo)
So it looks like the gauntlet's been thrown down (again).
Backed up this time by, apparently, *presses pinkie to corner of mouth* one million dollars...

See:
http://www.randi.org/jr/2007-09/092807reply.html#i4
dchase
Shadorne, that's a test I did not know about, I have never visited that forum.

Personally, I would never do that kind of test, I only make decisions based on long term listening.

Based solely on long term listening, I've chosen cheaper components, cheaper footers and even cheaper tweaks, even though everything is based on sighted decisions in my system.

Once when discussions were on going about blind testing, I posted this here at Audiogon:

If your a true believer in double blind testing you will accept my challenge to kiss Boy George, Elton John and your wife and guess accurately 90% of the time who's lips belong to who.

Get it wrong and face the video of the whole affair being offered to Fox TV.

Ready?

(P.S. Boy George and Elton John will be wearing the SAME favorite lipstick and perfume favored by your wife).

Obviously there were no takers.
Dlanselm, was this DBT a 30 sec. exposure same/different format? You seem happy to have seen the light. That is all that matters.
Well, guys, just think of all the money you saved by not being stupid and wasting cash on silly crap like expensive cables. As for me, I don't waste my money on such stuff, either. But I CAN hear the differences these cables make. And it is not always good, IMHO. Most of the time these 'supercables' just create a huge bloomy midrange, plumped up bass and rolled off treble, and pseudo-audiophiles go, "Oooooohhhh!" and "Ahhhhhhhhh!". It happens all too frequently in this hobby. Reviewers are no different, sadly.

The answer is to have a valid reference point in memory from which to compare recorded sound. The more vivid and deeply ingrained this aural knowledge is (which takes time and multiple exposures), the better one will be at discerning the true character and 'accuracy' of any given cable design.

So, do you KNOW what a live instrument sounds like in YOUR listening environment? (I do.) Have you been to any of the halls and venues where the music you listen to was recorded? (I have.) If not, how can you possibly make an informed comparison? If you don't have a valid reference point, your judgments will likely be misguided.

I have friends on the LA Philharmonic, so for years I got to be privileged and experience live music up close and personal from some of the world's greatest classical artists. I sat in the front row of the orchestra section of the Dorothy Chandler Pavillion (seats BB15/16) for over a decade, and likewise sat perfectly positioned for soloists as well (seats BB 20/21). So I believe I have a good background to make such assessments. (Although admittedly I stopped going once Disney Hall came on line; tickets are now just WAY too pricey, sadly, just like audio gear!) I have been privileged to hear Deutsche Grammophon engineers record C.M. Giulini and Kristian Zimmerman performing the Chopin Piano Concerto Nr.1, and I have been less than ten feet from Murray Perahia while he performed the pieces you can hear in his great "Aldeburgh Recital" on Sony Classics.

If your systems are not capable of resolving the entire structure of the piano pedals lightly creaking as Perahia leans into a passage from Beethoven or Liszt, or the sounds of his fingernails ever-so-lightly clicking on the ivories, or the sound of his clothing rustling with each movement, then you don't have anything to worry about, cable-wise. If you can't hear the lucky concert-going attendees softly whispering to each other at Perahia's feet as he performs, or the shifting noises of his bench as he moves around during the performance, then you're not missing a thing by not having those expensive wires and cables that supposedly reveal such things.

But at a concert, if you sit close enough, you WILL hear those very sounds (if your ear's sensitivity allow for it, of course.) And so, if a system can reproduce those subtleties, but only with a megabuck set of ICs, you shouldn't try to dissuade people from bringing such realistic and palpable musical wonders into their own homes. Maybe only a few people can actually appreciate such subtleties, as you contend. But let them see/hear for themselves if the cable's performance matches it's price point. But don't try to brow-beat people into agreeing with your viewpoint. If you feel you've been stupid and bought cables on reputation rather than true objective performance, then sell your expensive cables and go with the cheapos that float your boat. Good for you! But please don't go around saying everybody else is equally stupid for not selling their expensive cables and emulating your own actions. They might just hear a little differently than you do. Not necessarily better, just diffferent.

For those of us who CAN hear those differences, please don't tell us (either directly, or through intimation) that we don't know what we are talking about, or that we are imagining these differences. It is you who appears as ignorant (i.e., unaware) of these low level sonic phenomena, either deliberately (which is simply ridiculous), or as a result of physical limitations of your auditory system's processing capabilities. Do you deny that Shaquille O'Neil can dunk a B-Ball without effort, just because you likely can't even touch the rim jumping as high as you possibly can? Just because you can't do something doesn't mean everyone else can't either. Please don't make blanket assertions about other people's abilities or inabilities to perceive relative cable performance, just because of your own admitted or apparent limitations in those regards. It smacks of a 'sour grapes' attitude that was as unwanted in Aesop's time as it is today. 'Goners deserve better treatment than that.
I stand by what I said: most of this anti-high end stuff is jealousy, pure and simple.

So, I've got around $25k in my system, over a nearly 20 year period. And it's annihilating NEW systems ten times the price? I guess you could say I shun high priced gear and go for quality, quality, quality on the cheap, then modify the snot out of it. THAT'S how to get great sound relatively inexpensively (well, very 'relatively'.) As long as you can hear the difference, that is

Winston,

I don't disagree with your approach. I don't doubt that you have achieved far superior sound than a new $250 K system. However, ordinary folks like me do not always hear these obvious Pear Anjou versus Monster differences and I tend to think of these differences as either extremely subtle or simply not audible. So I think we agree.

I also agree that if the "well-heeled" can afford an extremely expensive cable then good for them. They will have no fear of any lack of quality with a $7000 speaker cable and that may be such a small amount of $ to them that even the peace of mind is worth it. I am not at all for jealously attacking these well to do people. However, I often see people with more invested in cables than major components such as speakers. It is these people that may stand to lose from "cable hyperbole" rather than the well-healed who will no doubt have every SOTA item.

On another note you appear to be one of those who could easily beat Randi's blind test and clearly you believe that you are not unique.
We ALL know this is true, that no two different cable designs sound exactly alike
Therefore it begs the question why Fremer and others do not step up to the plate and collect a million dollars.

David,

I bought the mega-dollar cables after "sighted" tests, and I sold the cables after "blinded" tests. Placebo is a strong sales agent.
I think it takes courage and integrity to admit to being a mere mortal audiophile. I think Mike deserves tremendous kudos too for his forthright manner during his experiment. When you have invested a significant amount of your own money on something, it is surely so much harder to accept that the magnitude of the benefits might be so small as to be negligible. Your experience matches mine in some ways, but in others it is different, as you have tremendous SOTA sources/amplifiers in your system and I don't.
hi slanselm:

2 things:

after some period of time, are you still satisfied with the monster cables ?

the double blind test you conducted (on your own ??) may have been flawed. however, the fact that one can detect a difference between cable does not justify the purchase of either cable.

a better test would be, which cable do you prefer?

assuming a properly designed blind test with a meaningful sample of recordings, what is the result ?

by the way, whatever test you design, replicate several times.