A New Believer

To T_bone:
you make a lot of good points, and I will try to respond to them all.
I would love to have the results of your test. Now we are getting somewhere.
As far as having to involve cd players and the rest of the system, well thats what we are talking about. HIFI systems. Some people are trying to twist this thread into some discussion of physics lab results, but the question is, does wire change what comes out of the speaker. If you can hear a difference, that is actually what you are saying. What happens on the wire surface at a Lab at MIT or some place is not the question. The question is HOW does it affect my hifi playing Beethoven's 9th to such a degree that I can hear it?

To T_bone:
'The nice thing about the 'wire is wire' argument for people like you is that it is easy to be satisfied. You can simply buy the cheapest CDPs and amps which look good. You don't need to worry about tubes vs transistors (it's just wire vs wire) and you don't need to worry about Class A vs Class B vs Class D (it's also just wire vs wire). CDPs are simple - bits is bits. Jitter is a figment of people's imagination or an artifact of the CD manufacturing process. Speakers and phono cartridges you might be able to claim are key, because they are not electronic signal carriers but physical transducers. But everything between tonearm output to speaker input can be garage sale castoffs linked with lamp cord.'

Now this is where you lost me. Why does my position on wire mean I buy the cheapest components? I don't get the connection. Tubes went out Econs ago. I have had class A and class AB amps. My current amp is both. I don't know whether jitter is real or not, but I paid a grand for my CD Player, so I better not hear any. I threw my phono cart away with my Thorens, or at least I threw them into the garage. Your last sentence is nonsense. BTW, I never said amps is amps or cdps is cdps, BUT some very prominent people have, including my guru's Len Feldman, Julian Hirsch and Peter Aczel. So who am I to disagree? BTW, most 'high end" amps cost what they cost to a large degree because of what it took to make them LOOK like they do. And they look GOOD.

To T_Bone:

'but I expect that given the way you have presented your ideas (or rather, your attack on others' comments)'

This seems to be a recurring theme on this site, concerning my comments. Am I doing something wrong? Breaking some rule? If I am, please set me straight. I am relatively new here.

"This is No time to be WASTING money on NONSENSE, such as wire and power cords. And EVERYONE on this site knows it's nonsense." I think this is a good example of what T_Bone may be referring to.

To Antipodes_audio:

I see your point. Maybe I should tone it down a little.