Streamer and DAC question


Hi -

I currently use a Naim XS 2 and PSB speakers in a medium sized room. My source is streaming music through an airport express connected to the CA Dacmagic (not plus). I listed to classic rock, 80's new wave, and classical. I am obtaining a large collection of 24-192 recordings and would like to upgrade my streaming and DAC. I'm not exactly sure what sound I like but would say I lean towards a warmer sound. I can say without a doubt that I like my friend's primarily all Naim system (big amps, power supplies, wilson sophia speakers, and a dedicated room build with listening in mind...much more money than I can spend).

My brother-in-law is coming over today to help me wire my place with 10/100 cable so that I don't need to rely upon a wireless connection.

Can I connect my airport express' optical output to stream the higher bit-rate files when it is connected via the ethernet port (not wireless)?

If not, I think I would have to use a dedicated streamer. I am looking at the Moon Mind and/or Sonore Rendue. Does anyone have any experience with these products? Any others I should look at?

As far as an upgraded DAC goes...I am looking at the Rega DAC, Moon 100D, and PS Audio Nuwave. The only one I have the opportunity to listen to before purchase would be the Moon 100D. Any opinions on these DACs? Any others I should be aware? I am thinking $800 and under for the DAC.

Thanks for any input!

John
john75
"Can I connect my airport express' optical output to stream the higher bit-rate files when it is connected via the ethernet port (not wireless)?"

No, only the Squeezebox Touch will do 96.

"As far as an upgraded DAC goes...I am looking at the Rega DAC, Moon 100D, and PS Audio Nuwave."

If you want a warm sound, the Rega or the Lampizator will do this. I recommend to use USB, but not the interfaces on these DACs. You will get much better results using the Off-Ramp 5 because it delivers lower jitter. Off-Ramp 5 will drive coax output to the DAC. Upgrading power supply and using a really good coax with the Off-Ramp 5 makes a big difference too.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
No effort required to get good results with DLNA/UPnP streaming vs massive PITA optimizing a computer for asynch USB with unpredictable results. So go the streamer route for easiest success.

Check out the Rendu and keep you eyes out for when the Auralic Aries comes out to see if it beats the Rendu.
Hi All - my intent is not to hijack John's post so apologies if it sounds that way - but regarding the part of his post to update the DAC - we seem to be looking in the same budget so hopefully my following questions will help both of us. First - Thanks for the feedback. No doubt the Bryston BDA-1 with BPA-1 will be good from what I have been reading, but buying both is way out of my budget. I am seeing used BDA-1s dipping under $900 which would be a stretch already. My idea was if purchasing one of these quality used units like the BDA-1, that don't have the most up to date USB input, I would use it with my NuForce - U192S - USB to S/PDIF Converter which I picked up cheap at Audio Advisor last year. The U192S worked great for me when auditioning the ZDAC and SimAudio 100D. Where it gets confusing is reading reviews of newer units like the ZDAC and hearing it performs better than units costing thousands - of course that is one opinion, and maybe it sounds better than some units that cost thousands - but maybe they were older units or not good values to begin with. So I guess it goes back to the age old question of how much is digital improving and does something like a ZDAC outperform something like a DBA-1 coupled with a U192s. Keeping in mind I can get a demo or used ZDAC for around $400 - I don't mind saving money for a future upgrade if the extra money now does not get me a noticeable improvement. I also hear good reviews about the Gungnir - but rarely see them sold used and usually not for much of a discount - so then again, comparing a new Gungnir to other new units in its price range, maybe it is a great value, but when comparing it to a unit that was $2000 a couple of years ago, but sells used now for the same price - what is the better option? Bottom line - with a limited budget I always am looking for max performance for least outlay of cash - whether used or new. I have also seen used Rega Dacs going for under $500 and Wadia 121s for under $650. Yes - this hobby can make you crazy - I think I am well on my way. :)