Monster Sigma Mythology - Need Answers


Back in the mid 1990s I fell into spools of Monster M Series M1500 and M2.4 Biwire. The M2.4 does not have the network terminator and I had to terminate the M1500 (don't do this as it takes forever, and ever, and ever). Before I knew it I had an entire system cabled with the much maligned Monster products and there they've stayed all these years, but now I have a 1 meter pair of the mythological M2000 Sigma interconnect in route.

I write this due to the complete lack of information on the net about upper end Monster cables. The new retro cables actually have some discussion on the net, but then you'll see claims that the old M2000 Sigma was better. Similar controversy may exist with the speaker cables with the old M2 Sigma.

The M2000 Sigma interconnect I purchased in ignorance thinking it was using the newer generation, low capacitance PEX dielectric first found in M1000i and the M2.4s biwire Speaker cables (cables are nearly black whereas older Monster M Series is gray.) I’ll update the table below with its capacitance which is likely frighteningly high. In searching I saw an Ad for M1500i, but without visual confirmation I belief this is a myth. (Or does M1500i exist?)

I am hoping the Agon community will help fill out this thread with details on the various monster top offerings. I'd like to keep this to M1000 and above interconnects and M2.2s Speaker cable and above. So some tabular info follows including capacitance which is a big issue for tube equipment (we can update values if anyone can provide missing numbers by measuring with capacitance meter)....

Interconnect (1 meter pair):
MODEL VERSION YEAR PRICE CAPACI NOTES
M1000 Laboratory Ref
M1000 Sonic Ref. Std.
M1000 Mk. II Sonic Ref.
M1000 Mk. III Sonic Ref. $200 162pf Isotec
M1000i PEX
M1000i Ultimate (PEX) PEX
M1500 $400 278pf
M1500i
M2000 Sigma $800

Speaker Cable (8 foot pair)
MODEL VERSION YEAR PRICE NOTES
M2 Sigma $2000
M2.4s Biwire $800 Best?
M2.2s

Decided to leave out Retro in table. Please discuss your sound experience with these. Monster has a bad name with audiophiles, but these cables were designed with technology licensed from Bruce Brisson of MIT fame. The earlier interconnects are extremely capacitive and that would account for their dark sound with some tube equipment. You do not want excess length! All of these are well liked to my knowledge except perhaps the M1000i ultimate which an Amazon reviewer said sounded more rolled off then his old M1000. M1500 considered sizeable step up from M1000. M2000 is not as big a step up. Until the Retro Gold, I don't think Monster put out anything above M1000i with the lower capacitance PEX dielectric.

On the speaker cable front I left out the older Monster stuff except the outrageously priced Sigma M2. The M2.4s is really, really good even at retail and can be had used easily enough given the Monster reputation among audiophiles (most of whom would be embarrassed to have it in their system). Don't be shy Monster lovers!
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Well the Monster Sigma arrived today and unfortunately my pair does not match! The right channel measures 350pf for one meter. The left measures 220pf. The right has a crisp white band around it, the left has a more faded band with a direction arrow. Based on the capacitance measures neither of these is m1000 or m1500. The right is what I feared and expected from an older Sigma M2000; high capacitance. The left is what I hoped, much lower capacitance from the newer PEX dielectric. Both cables have a black mesh over them. Both have incredibly beefy factory turbine connectors. I am contacting the seller to see if he can track down. I am guessing that a previous owner mixed up two one meter pairs of these.

I need some sigma owners to come forward and measure their cables!
Well at least one of these cables is the genuine article, because they do sound better than M1500. I did some comparisons with the first 15 minutes of Top Gun via my hot rodded Pioneer BDP-51FD (direct RCA connection from Wolfson DAC to my Bendix 6900 line stage with Placette passive.) Its hard to describe, but the Sigma made the M1500 sound trashier and washed out in the bass which is not easily done since bass performance was a strength of the M1500 and it is a darker sounding cable. the M2000 Sigma also just sounded more interesting in the treble. With all this of course soundstaging was more impressive. Notice I've not commented on the midrange, and that was because the differences were very much imaging related, etc. My system does very low bass (Vandersteen 4a (like a 5)) and these differences might be smaller on a less full range system. These cables probably belong in a Monster Museum so I am starting one and will gladly except donations! (Just think you can write them off your taxes at original retail price.)

My best guess for my cables is that the lower capacacitance left channel interconnect has the newer PEX dielectric and that both are Sigma. I've seen ads showing a black body to the rca connectors versus the pewter look which I believe is newer. Black body ones would be older and more capacitive. I am not sure which is better. I would presume the PEX version, but I've seen an Amazon review comparing one of the grey m1000 versus the m1000i and the reviewer did not like the m1000i PEX.

I will be trying to jostle and peer through the black mesh around these cables under strong light. The PEX dielectric monster has always been a dark gray and the non-PEX light gray. I've inquired with Monster Cable's customer support (Speaker division) about capacitance specifications as these would be a great way to identify these cables.

.... I just spent like what seems to be half an hour peering through the mesh at the lettering on both interconnects (double magnification LED visor). By moving the mesh around I was able to make out the following, M2000 ultra coherent balanced impedance component audio interconnect cable. The lettering was the same and the cable color was the same. I expected to see some difference here that would account for the capacitance. The cabling appears to be the same. Through the mesh it definantly also looks dark grey like the PEX cables. It does not mention this, but the color is a strong indicator.

I am beginning to wonder if these cables had a 120pf capacitor (standard size) in parallel at one of the connectors. These cables had some frayed braiding and had heat shrink repaired by a dealer and perhaps they disconnected a capacitor. I've not heard of capacitors in Sigma.

The real fault for this situation lies with Monster (and other cable manufacturers too, Shunyata Sidewinder for example). They made cables that were physically indistinguishable from each other and yet they are different versions. Caveat Emptor. The M1500 faces the same issue. From images online the M1500 seems to sport the same RCA connectors as early M2000 (black body), but some have a grey mesh jacket while a few seem to have a darker grey mesh.

The M2000 connectors may come in five kinds. I see a late silver Pewter with a shading band around around the grippers. Then we have two that have more of a chrome finish, I am guessing the newer kind also have the shading band. Then we have mine which have no shading band that I can see. These also have a narrow black groove nearest the gold of the rca plug (the second closest groove is blue or red for channel). On all other versions this groove is the same color as the cnannel. I believe the black groove is older based on the fact the apparently newer cable in my pair does not have the black band on one end (two blue bands).
Well, on the Sigma M2000 I have revised my hypothesis. I believe that the lower measuring cable has been damaged so some of the conductors are not connecting. This has lowered the overall capacitance reading. I'll be doing some surgery in the next few days and I'll report back. This seems most likely and that means there may only be one Sigma wire with the different connectors mentioned above (and it is not PEX.)
Yes, apparrently the Dutch dealer repair of the mesh involved ripping out the shielding at the repair which disconnected the shield along the whole cable. With the shield connected the capacitance jumps up to a normal reading.

I will also add that these cables need connectors for 11mm cables. The cheapest I could find were some very nice silver over copper Wireworlds. I'd thought to salvage out a factory like half meter and then a shorter piece with the Wireworlds, but the $100 a set wireworlds are too much of an investment in time and money when 1/2 meter Sigma pairs can be had for not much more these days.

The repaired Sigma is quite nice and I have another 1/2 meter pair on the way.
I've seen mention that some preferred Sigma M2000 to the newer and more expensive Retro Gold. Here is some more detail from Art Shiparo of Positive Feedback from an interconnect review: "All critical interconnects have been Monster’s penultimate cable, the M-Sigma 2000. When the Manleys arrived, I did a lot of experimentation using my own and borrowed cables, propping up the amps on a workstand in order to make use of the many different one-meter interconnects I had at my disposal. The Sigma 2000 continued to be the product of choice in this system. Unfortunately, it is no longer in the product line, and the folks at Monster couldn’t come up with a two-meter pair for me, though they did provide their top-of-the-line Sigma Retro interconnects. These are much warmer cables than the Sigma M2000, and they pushed the system to just about the limits of acceptability in the dry-to-warm spectrum."
I've seen a lot of positive reviews of the Retro (which was designed for SET tube amps, etc.) and now we can see why Sigma M2000 might be considered superior by many. I must say the imaging on DTS-HD material is exemplary and is quite an improvement over the Monster M1500. The difference is quite stunning.