One step up from entry-level?

Jostler3, how could you give such poor advice. Ciruit City? The knowledge from a true audio store is worth the extra money if indeed you do end up spending more. There are a great number of products at entry level pricing that are well made using the technology of there higher end lines. I'm not aware of what Pioneers higher line is, or what research they provide to the advancement of audio. I strongly recommend finding a knowledgeable audio shop and listen to some different product. When I started I went to every store and listened to what I could afford. After a short time I knew what brands I liked and used that information to ask others opinions. For me it, like Jostler3 was the speakers and I had an amp I liked. Both were well beyond my price, but it gave people an idea of my tastes. I ended up e-mailing all the dealers in the country that caried those two componants and asked there opinions on what they would recommend with-in my budget. It wasn't long before I found some common recommendations and a dealer I trusted. That same dealer has helped me with the two later upgrades too. Good-luck Mark, J.D.

Jadem6: Oops, let me rephrase that. I did not mean to endorse Circuit City as a retail establishment, and I thoroughly agree about the potential (not always realized) for specialty shops to provide better advice and service. The thread was about brands, not stores, and what I meant to say was that for budding audiophiles on a very tight budget, the more established electronics brands carried by big boxes, combined with a better-quality speaker that doesn not impose too severe a load, would be a reasonable way to go.

I understand, I re-voted to give you a net positive, thanks. (I must say you have truely impressed me, I will watch for more of your posts and place a whole new value on your opinion) J.D.