Suggestions on replacement AV processor...


I am looking for suggestions on an AV processor. I have been looking at the Krell HTS, Krell AV Standard, Lexicon MC1, Proceed PAV/PDSD, CAL, B&K, Meridian... Just too many.

I really want great 2 channel for music, and great surround sound. Is this possible? Should I separate the 2 channel from the surround system?

My current setup is Cary 300SE Amp, Cary 303 CD player, JM Labs Utopia speakers, Transparent Audio super cables. Yes, no preamp, it blew up! Thats why I am in the market for another.

I have a budget of aprox. $4000.
lancel2000
Separate the systems if possible. Spending money on an expensive highend processor is (sorry everyone)a waste of money. For HT, an inexpensive processor like the Sony Albert describes will suffice just as well as a 10K processor. To get the best sound for HT and stereo in one room with one processor will yield trade offs. Sound for 2ch music and movie soundtracks are dispearst differently. So right from the start there has to be a trade off (compramises). What is the sense spending the money on an expensive highend processor if music is of the highest priority. If willing to live with the tradeoffs than realise your not going to be getting the best of either surround sound or HT. For the best sound for music, one must build a seperate room matched and tuned for sound with the appropriate components made to deliver the proper dispersion of sound waves. Same applies for movie soundtracks. Just that they are different from one another. For example, one may need to reflect sound while the other will need to absorb sound for the best result and best sound. How can this end up giving the best sound from both. What happens is that one must come to a compramise. Why spend 10k on an expensive processor to only come to a compramise. Wasted many thousands to realise this. Me, i would buy a receiver for HT and in a seperate room spend the money on the best musical system i could afford. Sorry for bad spelling. No spell checker today!!!!!!!
Sorry, I'd have to strongly disagree with the last post "Spending money on an expensive highend processor is (sorry everyone)a waste of money". A decent HT processor is NOT a waste of money at all. You have to consider that most cable, offair and DBS sources are not Dolby 5.1 or DTS. A cheaper processor would be ok if it all was, but this is simply not the case, so further processing is required such as Lexicon's Logic-7, Fosgate/Citation 6-axis, Meridian's Prologic II, etc. These processing modes work wonders on non 5.1 or DTS programs. If you HT is just for listening to DVD's, I guess you could go with a cheaper processor, but if you wish to hear decent sound from other sources, a higher end processor is a MUST HAVE! I seldom, if ever, take my Lexicon out of Logic-7 mode, even with 5.1 and DTS encoded programming, as it sounds great without the horrible DSP modes that a Sony processor uses.

My thoughts anyway..
Mark
Speaking as someone who has had both setups (2 seperate system and now 1 system) I say you need to weigh your priorities. I 2ch music is what you really love, then you need two systems. You will be happy with nothing less. I do agree that the Bryston is a good compromise, but there better 2ch preamps out there. Not to mention that in a HT setup you have a projection tv and 4 or 5 other speakers radiating when you listen to 2ch. Myself, I had to consolodate (the upgrades for both systems were just getting too expensive). If you have the cash, two systems is really the way to go. From the brands you listed I like Proceed (mine), Meridian (if only I had the cash for their complete digital system), Bryston (excellent warranty), and B&K (excellent choice if you have 2 separate systems). Good luck.
Since you seem to be a Cary kind of guy, how about the new
P-7 Surround Sound Processor/Preamplifier 7.1 Specifications
The P-7 design is a fully 24 bit/96 kHz circuit with the Motorola 5636 DSP chip. It uses discrete analog to digital and digital to analog converters (ADC/DAC).
Decoding ability:
Dolby Surround, Dolby Pro Logic, Dolby Digital, DTS
Inputs:
8 for audio or video/assignable
Surround Sound Modes:
7.1, 6.1, 5.1 for Dolby Digital/DTS (if applicable)
Outputs for speakers:
3F, 2S, 2R, SW
Mono/Stereo switching, multiple music modes for stereo surround simulation.
RS-232 port on back panel for future upgrades.
Balanced Outputs for main stereo speakers.
Bass and Treble controls, with bass management circuit.
Video Signal Resolution:
540 TV Lines
Signal Format System:
PAL (625/50, 525/60)/
NTSC (525/60, 625/50)
S-Video Output:
Luminance Signal: 1Vp-p (75 ohm load)
Color Signal: 0286Vp-p (75 ohm load)
Component Video Output:
Y Output Level: 1V p-p (75 ohm load)
Cb Output Level: 0.7V p-p (75 ohm load)
Cr Output Level: 0.7V p-p (75 ohm load)
Frequency Range: 2 Hz - 44 kHz
Amplitude Linearity: +/- 0.2 dB (20 Hz - 20 kHz)
Phase Linearity: 3 degrees (20Hz - 20 kHz)
Dynamic Range: 110dB (1 kHz)
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: 110dB (1 kHz)
Channel Separation: >100 (1 kHz)
Total Harmonic Distortion: 0.0008% (1 kHz)
Audio Output Level: 1.0 Vrms
Power Input: 120/240 VAC, 50-60 Hz
Power Consumption: 25 Watts
Retail Price: $3,500
Balanced analog audio outputs: $500
I personally don't think a "Cary" kind of guy would be happy with "bugdet" processor.People whom only have such, are missing a lot.Dvds aren't only about sound effects from 9 different directions. There in much good music in most movies. Somewhere down the road a quality pre, and, a quality processor will be required for optimum enjoyment. You have to make your decision; which is the more important to you? As I see it you need a 2/3k pre and a 4k processor.--2 choices. A processor such as MC1,and hold off for the great 2ch pre --Or, something like the Cit. 7.0 (4/5 hundred used) and that great 2ch pre. The MC1 will devaluate faster than the 7.0( The 7.0 as a temp. band-aid) It was a 3500 piece new;just no DD/DTS. You won't be giving up all that much/ you just hook the "fronts-out"(analog output) into an unused input on your good 2ch pre,--for movies.--(for your 2ch,switch back)