Room Demensions, am I in trouble?


Hello people,

I'm moving into my first house and we have a room for a theater!!! The only part that looks like it could be a problem is the room demensions. The room is 12'W X14'L X8'H.

I will also be using this room for music(very important to me!!!). I have Thiel 2.3's for mains with a Thiel center and I have Energy Veritas 2.2's for rears. I also have a Sunfire True Sub. the TV is a Sony 43" RPTV (18" deep). The room has hardwood floors and two windows (Not casting day light on the TV screen.)

I want the room to fit 4 viewers (5 max). Its gonna get tight in there! I would like feedback from others who have been through this same situation. Please give me your advice, and recommendations. I'm not interested in feedback on my equipment, because I'm not buying any new stuff right now (Can you say mortgage payments in Northern California!!!)

Thanks
mhubbard
Sorry to take so long to get to this thread. I have been travelling for the last week, so I have not had the time for A-gon (and still don't, but I like this site too much to stay away).

Even though it's pretty easy to figure out what the room response is going to be I would recommend a couple of things. First, measure the actual response. A Radio Shack analog SPL meter and our Test CD (compensated specifically for this meter) is a very inexpensive way of getting objective measurements. Yes, it is the subjective sound that counts in the end, but objective measuremnts let you get to this end much much faster.

The bass is the biggest problem for your room. It is going to boom around 40 to 50 Hz. If you look at the axial mode (that's the simpliest from one parrallel wall to the other mode) you will see quite a build up in this area. Tube traps will not likely have much of an effect unless you buy a lot of them. Yes, they will make a difference, but if you start measuring your room response, you will see they are not doing the job needed because they are not covering enough surface area to really be effective. Even if you did cover the area needed you would find that their Q factor (width of response) was so wide that you would be effecting frequencies that should be left alone. The only passive device that even has a remote chance of dealing with the problem is the RPG Modex mentioned. They are made in 40, 63, and 80 Hz models. You will need to start with about 4 of the 40 Hz models, measure the room and go up from there based on the results. The Q factor has about 50% overlap from one model to the next, so it's pretty neat what can be done with these, but they still are not very specific to the frequency problem.

Your other, and much easier, and definitely will work option is the PARC . Yes, I'm biased as we manufacture this unit, but it is designed for JUST this purpose--nothing else. It's probably the biggest problem in existing rooms, and the bass modes are so detrimental to the entire soundstage. Most people are not willing to do the construction necessary to change the room mode problem, and the PARC is thus the solution. In my recent travels I met with a very respectable dealer, that most probably know. He is very big in 2 channel and told me "I don't believe in this. I don't think it will work, and I don't think it will sound good. At best it will color the sound--and that's not what I am about." We put the PARC in, and in 30 seconds he said, there is no question. This device works, does not color the sound, and deals with the problem just as you've said. He bought the unit, became the dealer, and was demoing the unit to a customer as we left his store.

In a way, I didn't want to share that story--it sounds like an advertisement. But it illustrates the point--hearing is believing.

There are some other issues in the room that will need to be addressed, not as severe as the bass mode problem, but still important. Some of these have been mentioned, such as first reflection points and taming those. That's a definite and should be done. I won't waste time with what's been said already. The area that has not been addressed is the sweet spot. You plan a home theater in a small room. In most cases the sweet spot for a room that size would be about 1 cubic foot (maybe 2). You can expand that dramatically if you wish to, but it does require significant engineering and design. This is what we do, and can increase the sweet spot to a very large volume (like 1/3 of the room--with uniform sound control). Small rooms are by far the most difficult to deal with, they take more time and more engineering to get them right, but the end result can be dramatic. We recently finished a project in DC that makes a 19 x 13 x 8 sound like a 25 x 18 x 11. The sweet spot is huge, you can walk around the listening chair and have beautiful imaging and sound stage.

Please do use all the resources on our site, and if you have any questions please call us. We are always happy to discuss listening rooms--even if you are not employing our services.
>>Yes, it is the subjective sound that counts in the end, but objective measurements let you get to this end much much faster.<< by Rives

That is nicely said and, I think, true in almost all areas of audio.

I remain,
Well Rives I'm sure your solution is the best I could do, but unfortunatly I'm not in the market for another expensive piece of equipment (mortgage payments, remember!). I'm going to try an assortment of Echo Buster treatments. If they dont work, I guess I'll find a way to free up the funds to try the PARC.

Thanks for the info.
I have not used Echo Busters personally, but I don't think they will be very effective at reducing bass mode problems in your room. The standard Echo Buster panels will have no effect on bass. The "Bass Buster", designed to fit into the corners, covers too little wall area in your room to have a significant effect. You'd be much better off building membrane bass absorbers mounted on the wall - check out this site as an example.

http://www.customaudio.freeserve.co.uk/articles/membranes.html

If you find that you still need some equalization, check out the Rane PE-17. This is a five band parametric equalizer where all five bands can be applied to the bass region, and is available for about $400.
buy the rives info before you do echobusters...you may not need them and all you will have accomplished is use up more space in your full to the brim area.