Thoughts On "Bowling For Columbine"

I'm for anyone that wants to leave this country, to go on, and get out. We have enough problems without having to put up with the whining of those that don't want to be here. Unfortunately, we get stuck with the Alec Baldwin types who whine incessantly about how they will leave if just one more American right is retained, and then they don't leave, they stay here and whine some more.

Regarding allowing unlimited immigration/emigration between the US and Europe, why not? After all there is no limitation on immigration from Mexico, is there? They don't even need passports. They just come in, and nobody says anything about it until voting time, and then the government does a mass-citizenship of all illegals so they can all vote. Seems to me that Europeans should get at least equal treatment in that regard. How come they don't?

And as far as people from the UK not understanding how we could be so attached to our Constitutional rights, well that's because we are Americans and you're not. We have this peculiar desire to try to keep what we fought for, even though the politicians are doing their damndest to give it away. And you may be interested to know that many/most Americans consider politicians to be little or nothing more than criminals in suits.

Lugnut I am a British citizen who has been living in California for 5 years. I'm moving back to the UK next year, and may go to live in mainland europe shortly thereafter. I prefer the european quality of life, but each to his/her own.

Twl ... Americans consider politicians to be criminals in suits ? That's not what I see. From what I see the american people are being completely hoodwinked by a powerful political / industrial / media complex that is creating a powerful class system in what was supposed to be a meritocracy. I'd say the average european voter is much more skeptical of government, and rightly so.

If I really believed you then Nader would be president right now. The only guy who tells it like it is.

I think we'd better get back to hifi before fights break out !

Sean, alot more Americans know what is going on than many might think. The problem is that it is not really known what to do about it. It is a very sticky problem, and all the "normal" roads to the solution have been cleverly blocked or subverted by the people you refer to. It leaves only some very unsavory options, which most Americans seem unwilling to consider at this time. The cabal of power that you refer to, is real, and has consolidated itself deep into the governing structure, media, education, and industry, just as you say. When they are in that deep, just how do we get them out? They certainly are not going to give up willingly. This is a dilemma that ultimately will have to be dealt with, but it is not a pretty picture. Many of the "police state" measures being taken right now, are not intended to control terrorists, but are intended to control opposition to the inevitable "tightening of the grip" that is coming. Alot of us feel it, but how do you stop it? There is always a "plausible reason" accompanying these measures, in order to calm the fears of "the herd". But even "the herd" is starting to notice that no terrorists are being caught, and alot of rights are going out the window. Once the "security force" is in place, how will anyone oppose it? I'm sure that many Europeans recognize the dance, as the same one that was played in the 1930s. Heaven help us.

Sean,

I figured that you were a British citizen. So, let's see....you want open borders between Europe and the U.S.? You're also going back to the U.K. and later plan on living in mainland Europe. So, if people vote with their feet you'll have plenty of elbow room where you're going to live. Pretty self-serving.

Also, if you have lived in California for the last five years you have a left coast view of this nation. I urge you to visit the heartland before you go. Many of us do not take the gifts bestowed upon us by our founders for granted.

Twl is correct that the wickedness is deeply entrenched in our institutions. Rooting out the bad guys and turning this nation around will happen only when the government has gone too far. Ralph Nader was not the answer and a European ideal isn't either. This country belongs to we the people and I'm reasonably confident that we will prevail.