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I have just read Art Dudley's review of the Quattro Supreme (Stereophile, October issue), a table spawned from the basic Teres design. (The friendship, then break-up of the original Teres group is also mentioned as a side story.)

I have no experience with the Teres but the Supreme - a design very similar to the Teres - priced at $6,000 got a "B" rating (actually meaningless, but someone's got to give it some rating because we are a rating-mad people!).

Why doesn't Chris Brady send Art a table so that he could at least give the Teres a good review and exposure?

Art's reference, the LP12, by the way, beat the Supreme in one area: PRaT.

Cheers,
George
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Hi Doug, while ALL instruments, including the human voice, require perfect speed stability to be reproduced correctly, I find speed instablities are most clearly heard (a different issue) in the decay/resonance of instruments, which being but the resonance of a note already struck, simply decay unwavering until vanished, and nothing decays/resonates audibly like piano. The piano keys are hit, the strings vibrate, the box resonates, and any speed variation is CLEARLY audible and exposed, as decay/resonance CANNOT waver in pitch. Bells are good too, as are acoustic guitars, echoes of various sorts, and so on. I don't get my musical enjoyment from hearing evidence of perfect speed, but if I hear a perfect decay, then I know my playback system is spot-on. Besides, hearing a wavering resonation/decay of any sort is annoying and worrying. All that said, a 'table which gets the speed spot on, and sustains perfect speed in real-world conditions - i.e. while playing a record - not only captures the PRaT which should exist in every recording regardless of quality, but also does a better job of retrieving detail, imaging information, energy (dynamics) and frequency extension.

As to whether or not the Linn shows evidence of better speed stability than a well-made and massive unsuspended deck, this is a complex issue. The Roksan turntable has a motor laterally mounted to a spring which allows the motor to rotate with the belt to prevent belt-stretching, thus pulling off the trick of having greater snap and speed, traditionally, than a Linn. On the other hand, these high-mass decks, if they use a rubber belt of some sort, have no such compensation. Regardless of the mass of the platter, the belts will stretch, and the greater mass of the platter ends up not overcoming stylus drag totally so much as reducing it in frequency, as the belt simply cannot react as quickly while dragging such a large mass. It will, however, react at some frequency. But the rhythm lies in the lower frequencies, and if the belt-reaction to stylus drag is lowered to this frequency, then PRaT will suffer, and the Linn, with a lower-mass platter, come out sounding like it has superior PRaT. Thread-drives are a different matter, as it is difficult to predict exactly what is going on here: they are not stretching, but are they slipping? And in what way are they slipping? Perhaps, like rubber belts, they slip precisely when stylus drag is at its worst, which is logical, which in the end means they have some of the same problems rubber belts have, in racing at precisely the point there is greatest energy in the music. Finally, the Linns are suspended, and the subchassis does react to stylus drag and belt reaction in a way similar to the Roksan's motor's lateral freedom: the Linn's entire subchassis twists in reaction to the stylus drag, thus mitigating belt-reaction, and reducing damage to the PRaT. But, while the Linn saves the Prat, it sacrifices the detail higher-mass decks, which have more stable speed overall (above the low frequencies), traditionally excel at. Of course, all this is mere theorizing, in the wake of my experiences comparing the sound of various high-end and classic decks to such high-torque designs as the big idler-wheel decks (like, of course, the Lencos) and the Technics SP10 MKII (which is discussed at length recently on VA).

In the end, it's what makes you happy that makes you happy - providing you are not deluding yourself as so many in fact do (I have a detail-freak friend up here who always goes for detail, and upgrades at least once a month at great cost, indicating deep-rooted dissatisfaction). So good to see the vinyl industry doing so well and generating so much interest! I hope the music-fest goes well for all, Vive la Vinyl!
Hi Jean,
Thanks for the thoughts and examples. Like you, I would find any pitch wavering in piano decays, bell decays, etc. to be quite disturbing. OTOH, I would not necessarily assume that pitch-perfect decays indicate full resistance to stylus drag in all circumstances. Decays are, pretty much by definition, non-dynamic. Stylus drag during a decay is decreasing. A momentary speed loss caused by the leading transient *could* be recovered on some rigs by the time the decay begins. My old silk thread could cope with piano decays fairly well. It's susceptibility to stylus drag was most noticeable at the biggest transients.

Good insights on the Roksan, Linn and thread drives. Thank you. The silk thread previously used on the Teres was capable of some tiny amount of stretch over time (far less than rubber though) but I believe its major problem was inadequate friction aganst platter and motor pulley at moments of maximum drag, as you stated. Mylar is less slippery, and 1/2" wide tape provides many times more surface area than thread. I know from my work in graphic arts reproduction that mylar is dimensionally at normal room temperatures. No stretch. Provided that motor and plinth do not move relative to each other, it seems like this motor-platter linkage "should" be as stable as my ears - and the more sensitive ears of my partner - indicate.

Sorry to hear about your detail-freaked friend. That's a dangerous and expensive trap to fall into, since there's potentially no end to it. FWIW and as I'm sure you know, a front-row or even podium level of detail is possible without sacrificing musicality, or even PRaT. But chasing detail for detail's sake seems a sterile endeavour.

We have reached a state of intense musical satisfaction with our rig. You and Psychicanimal can be assured that our toes tap themselves, our heads involuntarily bob, on every record. When you find yourself caught up in the *rhythms* of 'a capella' medieval chants or a solo lute, you've attained real PRaT. Most rigs can deliver PRaT with Sousa or Strauss (any Strauss, take your pick!).

Thanks to the help of my good friend 'Cello' we've been allowed to hear enough different things to develop a good idea of what directions we needed to go. Our recent arm and cartridge upgrades provided everything we were looking for and more. Judging by the astonishing length of your Lenco/Home Depot thread, it seems others are finding much the same on that path. Bon chance with its continued progress and thank you for helping to lead the revival!
Doug
Complex, full blast orchestral passages are the toughest in the stylus drag department, for sure. That's what I use to check improvement in *instantaneous* power delivery in my modded 1200. In the case of a bidirectional, quartz locked DD motor that's the singlemost important criterium. Nightdoggy taught me that, as his approach to modding his 1200's was specifically targeting the quartz lock circuitry & instant power delivery *within* the unit. He does not use an external power supply, claiming it will adversely affect instant power response. All I know is that I replaced the stock 24 ga external power supply DC wiring for 18 ga and the improvement was phenomenal! The same went for the stock AC power cord being replaced for an 11ga, cryo'ed Tice PC3. Everything I do to improve instantaneous power delivery is audible by no small measure.

It's hard for me to visuallize something like a belt drive with a massive platter dealing with this stylus drag issue successfully--no offense meant to anyone.

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