Absolute top tier DAC for standard res Redbook CD


Hi All.

Putting together a reference level system.
My Source is predominantly standard 16/44 played from a MacMini using iTunes and Amarra. Some of my music is purchased from iTunes and the rest is ripped from standard CD's.
For my tastes in music, my high def catalogues are still limited; so Redbook 16/44 will be my primary source for quite some time.

I'm not spending DCS or MSB money. But $15-20k retail is not out of the question.

Upsampling vs non-upsampling?
USB input vs SPDIF?

All opinions welcome.

And I know I need to hear them, but getting these ultra $$$ DAC's into your house for an audition ain't easy.

Looking for musical, emotional, engaging, accurate , with great dimension. Not looking for analytical and sterile.
mattnshilp
If I follow Matt, and I think I do, he is saying the two dacs are both wonderful to him. Why mess with tubes, tube rolling etc, when he likes another dac just as much and even a little more and it has no tubes? I understand completely. All of us would rather not have to mess with finding the perfect tube, paying for it, having back ups, wondering when the tube is losing some of its greatness with age etc....

If another dac gives all of the same magic with no need to obsess with tubes, sound optimization with all kinds of various tube types and brands, then why not go for the equally great sound with no extra hassles?

He can keep the SS dac on 24/7 with no warm up!

Now if the Lampi was obviously superior in every way, then Matt and most of us would gladly go down the tube obsession route.

Based on my experience I think feeding the Lampi by USB with no Offramp is the real difference maker in this round. The tube is important, but falls behind in order if importance.

Based on Matt's comments and preferences thus far the EA dac will be most interesting to me. I think it will be to his liking.
Update:
#1 - The EA OverDrive SE is up and running. Once I got the drivers running, everything worked instantly. I will cook it for 2 solid days before listening.

#2 -I called my Uncle to wish him a happy birthday. This is the uncle who introduced me to high end audio when I was 11. He still has an old old tube system (Audio Research pre and amp, B&W speakers, Nakamichi azimuth correcting tape deck, Linn table/Denon cartridge). He went through a lot of tube gear in his day, but barely listens anymore. We started talking audiophile nervosa and I told him about the Big6 and my DAC shootout. I mentioned the UN VT-99 and he went though his boxes of tubes and actually freakin had a matched pair! He has never sold any of his tube collection and probably never will (I am praying I inherit that some day!). He brought them over 4 hours ago; we let them warm up for 2 hours in the Big6 (which I had already packed up) and he and I sat down for some bonding and nephew/uncle time….

Here, for all those who demanded an audition of the UN VT-99 rolled Lampy Big6, are some impressions of my time with my Uncle (and the UN tubes):

It is amazing how a passion for music and the gear can bring two people of such different ages together!

The Lampy was unquestionably different. The upper levels had more energy, more extension and seamed to be surrounded by a layer of realism that was not there before. Like cleaning a window that you didn't really know had a little dirt on it. The lower frequencies were slightly (if at all) deeper but clearly held control a tad better then with the other tubes. The mid's were, by-in-large unchanged. Equally musical and engaging, but no more so then before the rolling. The soundstage expanded in both width, depth and most interestingly, in height. There was more above me then before. The soundstage opened; but to me it felt a bit artificial whereas the OEM tubes seamed to present a more realistic spacial image. Dynamics were a bit more, well…. more. Subtle transitions between quiet passages and crescendo seamed more meticulous, more defined. Leading and trailing edges were clearly more defined (although that is my interpretation since I have never truly figured out officially what a leading and trailing edge are. lol)

Overall I have to concur that the UN tubes take the Big6 to the next level. I would, now that I HAVE heard them, still say that they are not "transcendental".

Does it change my decision?

No. But it flatly tells me that if someone where looking for a new DAC and had access to these difficult to find (unless your audio uncle happens to blow your mind and have a matched set) tubes, that at about $2K less retail, the Big6 is a MUCH better deal then the Aeris. They are comparable in performance in every conceivable way. With the UN tubes, I liked the Big6 about 40% more then with the OEM tubes; and on certain types of music it clearly bests the Aeris.

But I still need to pick ONE. And I am sticking to my choice. This has nothing to do with tube vs solid state since they both provide SOTA performance and they actually sounded MORE similar with the UN tubes in the Big6 then with the OEM tubes. I guess its true that as you get closer to perfection, the gear starts to sound more and more similar.

I hope that satisfies everyone. Serendipity is a wonderful thing.

As to the thought that the Lampy has an inferior USB port that requires an external USB to SPDIF converter, I made the active decision that I am looking for a one box DAC solution and I don't want to deal with a separate USB to SPDIF converter, another digital cable AND another power cord expense; at least not while deciding on a DAC. Maybe after I have chosen one I will consider it, if it is not the OverDrive (since the overdrive has one built in).
Grannyring - Tya. Too bad I'm not that lucky with my lottery tickets!

Agear - Thats good to know that Lampy has a solid tech in my area if I ever wander down the Lampy path in the future. Dac's, by definition, pretty much have expiration dates as tech continues to pulse forward.

Kernelbob - I love it. And you were right. But I know that I know very little, and prove it every day!!! And my kids remind me of this constantly!

AudioLabyrinth - I have every intention of trying each DAC with volume controls direct to the amps. Steve from EA was generous enough to send me his FInal Drive magic boxes that supposedly make running these DAC's direct a true revelation. Trust me, I'd love to re-acquire the big $$$$$ I put into my pre-amp. But for now, the Criterion does things that no other pre-amp has ever shown me, and I'm not rushing to get rid of it.
Mattnshilp, I appreciate the effort that you are putting into these comparisons and for your time in sharing your findings with us. Regarding the final paragraph of your last post about the Lampy having an inferior USB port that requires an external USB converter, I would like to mention that the Rowland has a similar limitation in its design. It has been reported on this forum that the Rowland design team themselves has admitted that the Aeris sounds its best through the SPDIF inputs and not via USB. Their USB implementation is also limited to a high of 96kHz sampling frequency with the SPDIF inputs supporting up to 192kHz. Just wanted to point that out if it may impact your decision. I ruled out the Aeris DAC due to that 96kHz limitation via USB as well as its lack of support for DSD file playback, but of course everyone has differing needs and priorities. I also have a fondness for Rowland gear as I currently own their model 625 power amp which I find superb! Best of luck as you continue the evaluation process, and thanks again for taking the time to share your results.