In wall power cabling- for Apartment Dweller


Howdy.

I need some advice on what kind of in wall power cabling (reasonably priced to cheap) is a step up from whatever my Landlord's go-to electrician would pick up at Lowe's to do the job.

I'm going to be installing 2 dedicated lines, and I need some knowledge on what brands of cable to use. Also, I won't be purchasing "audiophile Grade" circuit breakers, if they are expensive, but anyone have knowledge re: circuiut breakers- i.e. 15 amp, etc and some manufacturers that make them better than others, etc...

I've got my "Porter Ports" on the way (thanks again Albert!)
and I need to know what to do next.
Keep in mind that, once I move, 100% of my investment will be lost, so I'm not going to be purchasing anything that is really expensive.

THANKS!!!!
gthirteen
OK, 4yanx, in your opinion, will dedicated power lines to my box sound worse than having all my gear AND all other outlets and lights, fans, etc, on the same circuit?
Maybe you'd agreee that I should just get a walkman?!?!

Obviously, there is something to be said for active AC cleansing. However, I have a pretty good situation, I live in a smallish town, and I have a REALLY quiet system as it is, just no ground connection on my existing outlets. Fine, I figured that I would just replace the outlets. WRONG!
No ground WIRES in the wall. So, my landlord will run a line for me- why not make it 2?

I already have some outlets on the way, so I thought that I would inquire among the other Audiogonners as to what TYPE of IN WALL POWER WIRE has been used succesfully.

I am sure, that, if I live in NYC or LA, that I'd have noisy power, and I'd need to address it. However, I'm just running these lines for safety purposes, and since its going to happen whether I want it or not, I figured I might as well try and find out what cable sounds good.

SO, That's what I'm attempting to get some help with.

Aponter4- I don't see why not. As strange as it sounds, I think that if a Power cable from teh wall to the component that has been cryoed sounds better, why wouldn't 100' of in wall cable present some audible change for the better?

Thanks guys, keep it coming.
g13, the question of a Walkman is your call. (perhaps at this point we have equally exchanged sarcasms and continue)

You asked for advise, Psychic gave some sound options and you seem not to agree. His point was that even if you do rewire in the walls, there will still be grunge. OBVIOUSLY, a dedicated line will be BETTER than what you have presently (and I said nothing to indicate otherwise). The thing is, most people here are looking for the ultimate in improvements and have experiences to share. Whether or not you decide to employ them is a matter of choice, not a question of right wrong, or someone else trying to force you what to do.

Several have given suggestions centered on the type of wire and breakers only. Bob gave a cost-effective solution (based on wire being the only change). Maybe give it a try and see if it is enough. If you live in an area where simply upgrading the wire and establishing a dedicated line is sufficient, you are, indeed, fortunate.

BTW, before doing my dedicated lines, I installed a set of Albert's cryoed outlets and was stunned at the difference just THOSE made.
From a past post of mine:

I would recommend several dedicated 20 amp circuits and cryogenically treated outlets. See below:

Here is some information from several of my posts on Audiogon (another similar topic).

“I have experimented over the last year with various wires to use for dedicated 20-amp circuits. I have the following wire in use in no special order:
1) 10 gage Romex
2) 10 gage UV
3) Belden 83802
4) Virtual Dynamics 10 gage BX Cryogenically treated with Cryo’d circuit breaker. *

I have not tried the following but I’m sure it works, 10 gage solid THHN (white/black/green) manually (electric drill) spiral twist and snake through conduit.

To my ears on my revealing system I hear NO difference between (1-4)! I think simply using a dedicated circuit with 10 gage copper makes the biggest difference.

* There might be other positive factors to using cryogenically treated wiring besides sonics. It might lower the operating temperature of equipment.

Psychicanimal is correct, with good gear and experience you will benefit greatly from additional filtering. The two dedicated circuits and cryo'd outlets are a great start.
Thanks guys!

I appreciate the help.

ALso, what, if any info, have you guys seen on regenerators and negative physical effects and humans?

The PS audio, according to some old ad copy, was supposed to be, essentially, a power amp that puts out energy at a specific frequency.

I'm no electrician, and certainly not a physicist, and my understanding of the technology that makes me smile and boogie (when no one is watching)is severely limited compared to many of the other goNers. But I believe Dekay, in a recent thread, commented on some Doctor friend of his advising against a power regenerator for health reasons.

Thoughts?
Thanks!
My enviroment is similar to yours G13. Small town with fairly stable clean power.
I just ran from a 15 amp breaker one run of 12-2 (yep 2 wire one ground) to a junction box where I then spliced 2 short (4 foot) runs of 12-2 flexible twisted wire cable to Hubbel connectors> (HBL4PBI 4-Plex receptacle Portable BOx in conjunction with IG420 4-Plex Receptacle-orange).
But what I did was drill a hole in the floor in the corner of the room where my "extension" cord comes up through the floor. I just pulled the carpet off the tack strips.
When I move I just have to terminate the set-up at the junction box, pull the four foot run up out of the floor, put the carpet back in place and go on with life.
The cabling I used worked FOR ME. (bought at Home Center,
plugs from W.W. Grainger)
Did make a differnce, for the better, in how MY system sounded.
In my opinion if your situation is similar to mine don't go crazy with what you are trying to accomplish.

For reference my system:
Threshold T-100 Amp
Audio Research LS-15 Pre
Ah! 4000 used as a transport
Perpetual Technologies digital engine
MSB Gold Link III Dac
Balance cabling where possible.
Niam speaker wires to Spendor 1/2's
And I'm as happy as a pig in ***t with how my system sounds.