New formats, same old story?


OK, we continue to be inundated by advice to upgrade to a new digital format. Most say SACD, the rest tell us that DVD-A will be the ticket. My thing is that I would be ready to buy if things were sorted out. They are not yet. It doesn't look any clearer to me than it did a year ago today. Am I blind? Neither has taken precedence. More importantly, neither has had the major influx of software we have been waiting for. A major determinant as to which one wins out in the end. Yes, SOFTWARE. Where is it? Sure, there are some titles out there(how many currently???), but new albums are still more often than not released CD only. The people at the record stores still have not heard of either of the new formats. Yes, I know Sony keeps dangling the influx of new players(even cheap ones) at us, but I am still in the same mindset I was last year. That I don't want to invest in a new player that won't be a REAL step up in terms of CD playback(which would make it worth it) until one of the formats emerges as the future path. And, once the players come, will they be obsoleted by a new twist a couple of years later? As in multichannel - which I am not interested in, or by offering a digital output of the new format's signal. Are my feelings correct, or do I need the way I see things corrected? Thank you.
trelja
Perhaps a Sony 777 or 333 SACD unit with a Bel Canto DAC-1, or the like, is a reasonable way to go. Venture into the new format..while improving the standard format.
Has anybody heard either of these formats? Even on a marginal HT receiver and marginal speakers they sound drastically smoother and more listenable than anything previous. On a good system they are tremendous.

2 things important for either format (assuming software is available)are disc prices and copy protection. The discs are $10 higher than "sale" CD prices, which will not encourage the mass market to buy them. There is also very little support from high end manufacturers. No one wants to committ till the copy protection crap is resolved, and the digital hi-rez signals can be output out the digital port. Not unlike early CD players, the DACS will be improved but the poor early adopter will be w/o a cost effective upgrade path.

Not unlike DIVIX, the greedy corp. fools may kill both formats before they catch on.
Get 4 identical speakers, full range. Add a processor that supports circle surround (un-encoded) or similar (both Theta and Meridian have music surround processors that apply), turn off the center channel and the sub and you now have a sound system (on live recordings only) playing good ol' 16/44 CD's that will kill either of the two new formats --- and you get to use all of your existing music.

These technologies extract out of phase information and put it in the rear speakers. I am NOT talking about the artifical DSP processes that some suround recievers have.

This setup sounds better than any artificaly recorded surround music I have ever heard (DTS, AC3, DVD-A). And if you have great full range speakers, kills two channel audio. I don't know how many companies make processors that have this type of mode, but it sure is awesome.

VERY difficult to listen to 2 channel after hearing a top end implementaiton of this approach
Onhwy61. I have copied and pasted part of your statement here with a question:

"Beta lost when Panasonic made significant monetary payments to the large SoCal porn distributors......The home market for Beta quickly went limp."

What in your opinion is the correlation between "porn" and the market "going limp"?

This is a little scary for me. Personally, I am going to watch these format wars very closely.
To add my 2 cents, I've been listening to a wonderful Telarc hybrid (McCoy Tyner) on my SCD-1 and mentioned it the other night to a dinner party (six hungry mouths)on my deck (strictly non-audiophile). I have a pair of pretty mediocre outdoor speakers on the deck, hooked up to an equally mediocre CD player, but I put the hybrid on so they could hear it. The sonic effect was electrifying. After lots of oohs and aahs one of my guests started quizzing me about hybrid's availability, etc. He wants them for his car! Has anyone had a similar experience with SACD/hybrids? and cheap systems?