Absolute top tier DAC for standard res Redbook CD


Hi All.

Putting together a reference level system.
My Source is predominantly standard 16/44 played from a MacMini using iTunes and Amarra. Some of my music is purchased from iTunes and the rest is ripped from standard CD's.
For my tastes in music, my high def catalogues are still limited; so Redbook 16/44 will be my primary source for quite some time.

I'm not spending DCS or MSB money. But $15-20k retail is not out of the question.

Upsampling vs non-upsampling?
USB input vs SPDIF?

All opinions welcome.

And I know I need to hear them, but getting these ultra $$$ DAC's into your house for an audition ain't easy.

Looking for musical, emotional, engaging, accurate , with great dimension. Not looking for analytical and sterile.
mattnshilp
UPDATE (ADDENDUM):

The Final Drive is a $3000.00 accessory, plus the cost of an additional set of cables if you are using it with the pre-amp still in the system.

If you can successfully replace your pre-amp with the FD, then you will not need to purchase an additional set of cables as you would simply replace the pre-amp with the FD with identical wiring. For many of you, you will unquestionably improve your performance this way. Although at $3K for the FD, you may not save any money.

If, however, you are ADDING the FD to your pre-amp'ed system then you are not only adding a $3K accessory, but you are required to purchase another run of whatever cables you are already using. For me, it would add another $2K for Shunyata ZiTron Anaconda's (unless I decide to start using all of Merrill's interconnects which are a crazy bargain and pretty much equal performance to the Anacondas).

Steve provided me with an extra pair of XLR 18" jumper cables (I have NO idea what they are) to implement them in my system. I don't know if he offers these jumpers as part of the $3K or not, nor what they are. I was impressed with their performance but can not guarantee that some of what I heard was not that cable instead of the FD. I did not have an extra pair of Merrill's XLR interconnects nor an extra set of my Shunyata ZiTron Anaconda XLR's.

Fin. again.
I spoke with Merrill and he warned me that "more air is sometimes more smear."

That is an astute observation and something I grudgingly admit as a tubeophile.
Matt - the 18" cables were my own cable line, when I used to sell cables. They are bare-wire pure silver suspended in space. I don't have anyone to build them for me now, and besides the silver wire is getting very hard to source. Not to mention that every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he is a cable designer.....

I would not expect the FD to make much difference if you have either transformer in the preamp output or the amp input already. It's primarily for no transformer situations, although it allows you to insert other analog sources like HT and vinyl preamp into a system with DAC direct to amps. That is really the reason that I created it, along with the SQ benefits when running balanced.

The fact that the soundstage is larger and deeper when using it Pre to Amps, even though there is already a transformer at the pre output indicates that somehow the transformer balanced output from the pre is not really that balanced. This is a similar effect that I get with no transformers in the Overdrive DAC or amps.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
I just though of something that might make it a bit more unfocused. Because you already have transformers in the pre outputs, adding the second transformer in series floats the wiring between the transformers and the transformer cores on the FDs are not grounded. This can cause it to pick-up hum and RF, just like a ground-loop. Its essentially an antenna.

If you were to ground pin 1 on the FD input connectors to earth ground, it might eliminate this defocusing.

Connecting a transformer to another transformer is really not optimum. Only one is needed between components.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
Thanks Steve.

So should I expect a similar result with FD between ODSE and Criterion since the Criterion has transformer on its input stage as well as it's output stage?

It sounds like the Rowland gear just doesn't play well with the FD. It's all about system synergy....