Would like to start a Stereo Club in the midwest.


I have talked to several people, and they love the idea. Take a group of individuals that love this hobby, and that you can trust, and everyone throws in $1000.00, and you start buying gear, ie.. amps.. preamps...cables.. speakers, I am not to sure about,.,everybody gets to listen, and then pass it on to the next. and if someone really likes a piece, they buy it at the price that it was purchased for..by doing this everyone in the club gets to listen to that piece for a pre-dtermined amount of time.. for no money, no selling etc.. let me know if anyone thinks this will work..
tunes4me
Tok20000 - you raise a lot of really good points with some excellent examples. It may not be completely realistic, and I'd want to close off as many obvious gotchas as possible, but one would have to go into such a thing assuming they weren't going to get their money back, certainly not in total. There are a lot of ways you could lose money in this type of thing, though almost all of them are possible when you do this just as an individual. So, you'd be more likely than normal to experience some financial pain, since you'd be spreading the risk over many more transactions, but you'd be less likely to experience absolute pain since on any given downside, you'd be sharing the brunt with the rest of the group.

Would it be perfect? No. Would there be hard feelings? Quite possibly. After doing it once, would those who tried it do it again? Likely not. Still, it's an intriguing idea.

Tunes4me - you answered my #6 - if you have 12 members, 12 pieces in circulation at any given time, then there is no down time. Everybody always has a "club piece" that they're using. I was wondering if there would be times during the year that your money would be on the table but you'd have nothing in your system. While it's good that the answer is no, it also makes me think that $1000 wouldn't work then. If you have $12K to work with and buy 12 pieces, you're definitely limiting yourself in terms of what types of pieces you can buy ($1000 apiece). The same money over half as many pieces (or twice as much money) would give you much greater flexibility.

As for refreshing the money - I think you would have to put more in over time if this was a "living" club. Even used gear will, over time, cost you to buy and sell, along with some of the downfalls outlined by Tok2000. A year into it, you're going to need more capital to keep buying gear. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just a fact.

I wouldn't do cables for a lot of reasons, some of which Tok20000 oulined very well.

I wouldn't do large speakers either, but I would have a great deal of interest in monitor speakers, which are not really any harder to move than an amp.

So, let me paint a somewhat different scenario. A group of 8 people all agree to put up $2K and each make a choice of CD players in the $1500-2500 (used) price range. The 8 CD players are acquired, staying within a $16K overall total price (lots to figure out on how to get this accomplished). Everybody starts and finishes with the CDP that they nominated. There is a five week audition period for each CDP, and then a week to ship to the next person.

At the end of the year, you've got the CDP in your possession that you nominated for a final comparison (you hear it first and last). At this point, everybody decides which unit they liked the best, or none at all. At this same point, a price is determined, based on current market prices (used) for each unit at the end of the year, not at the beginning. You add up the agreed current value of each of the eight and compare to the $16K originally spent. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the 8 players have a current value of $12K.

So, each person has $1500 in "credit". Note that everybody "lost" $500 over the year. I'd actually prefer to think that I spent $500 to audition a series of CDPs in a more exhaustive, but controlled, way than I would have been able to on my own. Anyway, it's not free. All units that nobody wants would be sold. If multiple people wanted the same unit, then additional units would have to be purchased. If you want a unit that costs $2300, you have to pony up another $800. If you want a unit that costs $1500, you should be even.

The mechanics of buying, selling and accounting would have to be worked out, but I'd consider each year a separate entity with a beginning and an end. You could lose your whole $2000, but more likely you'd lose only a bit. There would be a way to "cash out" people who lost interest within a reasonable time frame. If you didn't have 8 people next year, you could stop. If you did, there'd be a clear amount of money you had to put in to join. In the previous example, if you wanted none of the units, and you were doing $2k preamps next year, you'd have to put in only $500 to join for the next year, since you'd already have $1500 credit.
KT, very thorough and very enlightning, you and the others has expanded the thought,, pointed out the shortcomings, and the benefits as well.. I really think it would work..as you stated, if you "lose" $500.00, you have auditioned several pieces, for little money, and then we kick up a new mag... from real music/stereo owners/audiophiles. A workable concept? you bet...
Bye the way, KT, when do we start?? I would love to have you as a charter member...
What is ironic is I think this concept would work better with interconnect, speaker cables, and power cords as long as certain parameters were abided by as lengths go.

The advantage of cables is that they do not degrade (and actually sound better as they get burned in). They are also easy to ship and transport. They have no moving parts, and they do not have much chance of breaking or getting damaged (when compared to amps, preamps, and sources).

I think Kthomas makes some very good points, and has thought this out initially pretty well. I might be willing to join such a club that did this with cables for an initial run. Maybe start with cables for 1 year, see how it works, then perhaps move to other components. There are a lot of power cords out there I would like to try. There are a few ICs and speaker cables I am interested in that I have not tried.

The other issue that one must think about is cost of shipping. This might sound trivial, but the cost of shipping amps, preamps, and CDPs can really mount up (if members are not local). Even just shipping cables with insurance, it can amount to $10-$20 or so per shipment. Multiply this by 12 and you get $120-$240. Amps and preamps being at least two+ times as much.

Anyway, just stuff to consider.

KF