What's wrong with classical music on vinyl?

Right on the money!Not only does classical music place more demands on the system,it is also FAR more difficult for a cartridge to track the complex and massive forces,with the instrumental variety involved.This is where proper arm/cartridge set up is SUPREMELY important.Unfortunately,this is a tough task,so,I'm not blaming those who want to take a shot at the vinyl crowd.However,unless you are really impatient or inept,wonderful results can be had!Now I have to go and listen to my new CD of Wynton Marsalis and the Lincoln Center Jazz Orch. doing the sound track to the latest Ken Burns Documentary---"Unbearable Blackness",WOW it's not half bad,for mere digital!Actually,the music is SO DAMN GOOD that I'm not thinking about the storage medium.

I know why Eldart is not accepting the plane ticket...

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Unfortunetly now almost all CD's will sound better than LP until you can get a system that can dig the music out. Then you will wonder however did CD,s get their foot in the door. My personnel opinion is the Minumum LP system 2nd hand should cost around $1000. Must for the budget system is a Modified Rega RB250, ($400) and a Sumiko blue piont ($150) and deck. I use a Sota. If you want to get nearer the CD sound buy a Lynn or Micheal. Lots of good steals about at present. Also a seperate phono amp is a must and a cleaning m/c. All up $1400 to S1500, A system as the above would out play any CD player up to $3000-$4000.

Dear Eldart: *** " real world where surface noise is the major sonic deficiency of LPs . " *** I have to agree with Albert : *** " However it is wrong to make such statements based on your inexperience and hold it up as truth. " ***

Eldart surface noise is not ( by any standars ) the MAJOR sonic deficiency of LPs. Maybe because your inexperience you think that, but is totally wrong.

*** " What is the separation spec for your phono pickup (at various frequencies)? " ***
Today this is not a critical issue in the sound reproduction of a LPs. BTW, we need, at least, 20 db on this spec for to have a very good sound reproduction. Almost any cartridge reach that spec: today is common to have 35 db on that spec, one of my cartridges: Allaerts MC2 Finish is over 70 db: yes, you read well: 70 db. I know that the CD wins in this spec, so what: the sound reproduction of a CD is always inferior to the LP.

*** " measured the signal to noise ratio of the LP medium. " *** *** " and say that there is no surface noise generated in your superb phono playback system. " ***

There is no dude that the CD has a greater dynamic range/signal to noise than the LP rig ( Albert the fact that you don't heard the surface noise does not mean that does not exist. Exist and is there in your audio sound reproduction system. If you think that really does not exist in your system then I can tell you that you have a problem in your system resolution. ), but these two specs can't tell any one that the CD is better than the LP.

You choose specs than can't support your statement that the CD is superior to the LP.

For the people that really know about music and really know about music reproduction at home: the CD is a inferior medium of sound reproduction and far away from the LP. One of the reasons is that the frecuency response of the CD is cut abrupt at 22.1 khz, this not only generate a high ringing on the sound reproduction but it causes that the music harmonics totally disappear, if for you this phenomenon is ok then I can understand your statements.
For me and for any music lover that phenomenon is out of argument. There are other issues, like the jitter, only 16 bits, etc....

Dear Eldart, I have some years in the analog/digital design: right now I have a phono preamp ( no, I'm not on sale and I'm not on audio business. ) that beats any phono preamp in the audio market and I have, too, a digital player that beats Emm labs, Wadia, dsc, etc.
We design those units because we can't find nothing that can satisfied the analog/digital music reproduction at home. I know every sigle advantage of the digital medium over the analog one and I know too every single advantage of the analog medium over the digital one.

I agree with Albert: you are totally wrong. I agree totally with Sirspeedy: the LP is nearest the " true ".

If I have to do a comparation I will write this: " the signal " flow " through the analog rig and only " pass " through the digital one.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Thanks Raul, we need support for music, not specs.