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vaporware

Here is a new spin on "vaporware". I have discovered 2 cdr copies
that are no longer playable. One is a year old the other 4 years. I
use the best media and factories, when choosing blank media and
store all of my media in optimal temp away from UV light.

I have not gone through all of my CDRs to determind if others are
unreadable but this is a disturbing turn of events.

After recording on DAT for 13 years, I have had little to no
problems. Luckly, I have the master DAT for the 2 lost CDRs. But, if
I didn't, "vaporware"!

This is not good. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, I believe
as consumers we are being duped and have a legitament beef with the
industry.

Also, it may be a "real" reason for us not to leave behind magnetic
media. I know this was the complaint when people were jumping from
analog to digital and the catastrophic loss with DAT but at least
DAT last a lot longer than CDR's. At least that is what my
experience has been so far. I have DAT tapes that are 13 years old
and play back with 0 errors.

Other's feedback is appreciated. However, please remember that all my
media is optimally choosen and stored. I've been at this game for
too long to make a "rookie" mistake.

For more information on CDR's see www.cdmediaworld.com
ramstl
sean
6,231 posts
 
I asked my partner at work about this today. He said that he just saw something about "gold on gold" CDR's lasting the longest. I'll have to pry more details out of him as we ended up getting too busy to talk much. Sean
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ramstl OP
342 posts
 
Mitsu are prone to pealing, since they do not use a protective layer. At least that is what has been reported by many people who have used them extensively.

Vist www.oade.com for further information. You should go to their tapers discussion page for further reports.

Many have stopped using them due to this problem.
avideo
222 posts
 
Sorry to hear about the "lost" CD-Rs. You did not mention
what type of CD recording device you used to make your
CD-Rs. I own a media duplication company; and we only use
standalone, commercial CD recorders for duplicating audio
media. And we rarely use recording speeds over 4X; though
we have the option to use faster speeds with our equipment.
We have used various types of CD media - including Mitsui
and T.Y. - with pretty decent results. Personally, my favorite CD media for recording audio is the Maxell CD-R
80s, which are optimized for recording music.
I am pretty much convinced from numerous past experiences, that most computer-based CD-R units are low-ball junk. Virtually every time our company gets a CD that
will not play properly on our commercial CD players (we use
Denon and Sony), it was "burned" on a computer or at very
high speed (usually 20X play speed). Not sure if this info
is any help - but do consider that this is what works for a
12+ year old company.

ramstl OP
342 posts
 
One was made on a computer and the other was made on a Marantz CDR 630. Neither of the problems are related to the recorders. Too many people have had problems with blank CDR's using a wide variety of machines to blame a specific machine.

Maxell's are made by TY. Maxell does not manufacture their own CDR's.

All of my CDR's are recorded at "real" time. However, reports indicate that 4X may be better. Who knows or cares at this point!

I will continue to burn for trade but it has become apparent that I will need to look into a real arcival medium. But, that will have to wait until I can afford around $100,000 or so in order to but a tube R-R and lots of Ampex!
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