More output from Analog set up, MC Transformer?

Insufficient gain in the phono stage can be a major cause of a lean sound.we all want to keep our signal path as simple as possible. I currently use the quicksilver transformer. I have tried to get rid of it by switching to solid state, hybrids, high efficeincy speakers... it usually only results in louder but lean sound. Cj continues to refuses to make a high gain phono section hovering around the 46-56db range. This frustrates the hell out of me.maybe they know something. Lo output mc's beat the hell of high output mc's. Amplification distorts (it also magnifies noise). the more you amplify the more you distort. This mandates a transformer. In the past I have overstated the need for a transformer. I am currently using a lo output benz glider with a cj premier 12a(46 db). I temporarily switched from inefficient maggies to a high efficiency mini monitor. I took out the transformer. It played loud but lean.

Have I conducted a shoot out with a top notch pre-pre amp?No. The "quickie" does it for me. Idealy you would want a preamp with the necessary gain. But if you love your current preamp a transformer is the way to go.

Dear Tbg: +++++ " I use it with the Ortofon and will never go back to just a high gain phono stage. " +++++

Which one or which ones high gain phono stages are you talking about?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

I am using the H-Cat phono and presently an Exemplar tube line stage. The H-Cat has MM and MC inputs with 40 and 60 db of gain respectively. There are provisions for a load from 47K ohms down. With the transformer, I am using 47K although it would prefer 100K. Without it and on MC, I use a 100 ohm load as recommended.

i forgot to mention leaness can also be caused by restricted low bass extension. a sub can help.

Thanks again for all your advise, I know my system is quite polite anyway. The power amp, Aleph 3 and Living Voice speakers, have a lovely sound, but do'nt pin you to tour chair