A Call To Reason . . . . .


. . . . (Or A Semi-Longish Rant By A Megalomaniacal Oddity)

i posted this in another thread, but wanted to start my own thread concerning the subject of a disturbing trend i see happening here on the 'Gon. the specific thread which i reference hereafter is mainly the "dv50 - any other players significantly better?" thread. those who have read it and even those who have not, please indulge me by reading the following and offering your opinions . . .

i held my tongue in that supposed "shootout" thread, but i'm gonna chime in here.

i've no doubt that the APL player is a nice player. i'm sure it is.

but i've owned many a cd player in my day and anybody's *absolute* assertion that the esoteric dv-50 is 'one-dimensional,' and 'sounds like radio shack,' and 'is bettered in every way' by the modded denons is a load of horse crap. even a previous poster in this thread has his facts wrong regarding the esoteric transport: there IS NO CLAIM to a VDRS clamp-mechanism in the dv-50. it is a pioneer transport! so? the APL uses a denon transport! what's your point? and no, the VDRS is *NOT* in any way a glossed-over OEM - it is designed and built in-house, and is one of the finest transports built.

again, no disrespect to alex of APL because i'm sure he truly does great work - but beware of the ludicrous superlatives and silly claims that one player "trounces" another or that because the esoteric dv-50 uses a pioneer transport that it's "a home theater unit with no business i a high-end system." this simply is not the case.

it's amazing the stigmas we have as audiophiles. the sacred cows we keep - cd's can't sound good; if it doesn't just play cd's it can't be any good; pcm leaves an audible fingerprint in every case; oem transports are cheap; if it plays dvd's also then it's "home theater" equipment. (God Forbid!)

that is just plain crap. i've owned the dv-50 along with several other highly ranked cd players and TO MY EARS it is a fantastic unit for the cost. period. on redbook, sacd, dvd-audio it is fantastic. i wouldn't trade my emmlabs meitner gear for the world, but i did trade my resolution audio opus 21 for it. did it handle cd as well as the resolution audio? i don't think so - not to my ears, anyway. did the resolution audio "trounce it?" or "destroy it," or "make it sound one-dimensional?" no, it didn't. i decided it was a fair sacrifice for universal playback. this this mean i'm right? no, it means i'm right for me. when i bought my meitner gear, did i buy it because somebody i trusted told me it sounded good? honestly, yes i did. but if i hadn't liked the sound, i'd have sold it right back. that's part of the fun - sometimes you can buy used stuff blindly and then sell it for the same price. it's fun and that way you don't have to rely on other's opinions - and certainly not let their opinions influence your own.

but sadly, that's not enough for some. no, some people in this hobby have agendas. i firmly believe that some of the loons who say that "this product destroys, demolishes, kills that one" are doing no more than trying to validate themselves, their "golden ears" and/or their purchases. yes, there are products out there that sound more real than others, but in the world of high-end cd players - it really comes down to personal preference. a krell will sound different than a linn. a naim different from a teac esoteric. meitner different from wadia. there's no need to try to convert anyone into believing that you are right, that your player is the best - enjoy the music, people! the day this hobby ceases to be fun is the day we should jump ship! let's just use some common sense - a disc player costing $5500 is not going to sound like radio shack! and if it did, it wouldn't sell! i don't care if it also plays dvds, it just wouldn't. you might not like the presentation of it, but *please.* there are so few absolutes in this hobby and when somebody is so insanely vocal in their vehemence in using them, that's when we need to step back and question why. i hate to sound so cynical, but if you read that whole thread with an open mind, you'll see what i mean.

that "shootout" thread IMHO is a microcosm of mob mentality. look at it from the beginning and follow the progression. it's a perfect model for a sociology textbook! at first, everybody jumps on the bandwagon saying "dv-50 is great, blah blah blah" (whether from their own experiences or because of the positive reviews, i cannot say) and then in comes one person, more vocal than the rest to challenge that notion. this one is so much more vocal than the others that he suddenly becomes the alpha male - the unquestionable audio guru, the one who first says that the emporer is wearing clothes - can't you see them? if not, you must be a fool. he convinces one person on the thread via a visit to his house of it and then all of a sudden, people start to doubt their own decisions and jump on his bandwagon - feeding his ego and validating themselves because they agree with the alpha male and his obviously "golden ears." i mean, nobody wants to be thought the fool, right? maybe they didn't like what they had heard after all? maybe somebody else knows more than they do about what sounds good to them.

nonsense. only you know what sounds good to you.

people, the emporer has no clothes. listen for yourself and make your own decisions. question when people overuse superlatives. avoid the hyperbole and the rhetoric. it's about music, folks - that's why we're all here. no need to put anybody else's equipment down to make yourself feel better, or to try to validate youself by convincing others that you're right or to try to validate yourself by jumping on the popular bandwagon.

yes, i'm aware of the irony implicit by my posting this and trying to change people's minds, but this i implore of all of you - do what makes sense and is logical to you. whther or not you agree with me.

thanks for taking my call, diane, and i'll take my response off the air.

:-)

honestly - happy listening to all.
lazarus28
Enthusiastic hobbyists we are, and are no different from those with other hobbies, enjoying the occasional one-up and the more than occasional fish story... I've read that whole thread and found it to be very informative and entertaining. I wish I had the resources to play in their game (also a Chicago resident), but I'll happily watch from the mid-fi seats...

Cheers.
I always loved to sit in the back of Long Island Audio Society meetings and laugh at the "mine is bigger than yours" comments that were exchanged. This is human nature, but I try not to engage in it. Occasionally, however, I suspect that my posts are more than "hey, guys you might want to listen to this" posts. I do try to avoid useless words, such as "blows away," and instead use equally useless words, such as "is more realistic or more transparent." Words are so useless in describing sound.

I know my position of writing on AA or Gon and saying how useless words are is hypocritical, but our passion is to share. As someone above said, perhaps we should just take everything as a grain of salt and listen for ourselves.
Tbg, Norm, you are cordially invited for a listen. Seriously, you, and I are on the same path. We are serching for the best, digital has to offer. For today, I believe I have found it with the APL. You own, or owned the meitner gear, and have been touting the Exemplar. I read, digested, bought the 2900, 3910, Exception II, am waiting for the Exception II with siltcech, and remote, but I have also been exploring, buying, selling, returning other products. I have apologized for using the "blown away" terminolgy. I am on a mission for self truth. As of today, I have found happiness with the APL 3910. I cordially invite you to listen, and ask for youto give me feedback and your opinion. I value your opinion, for without your writings, I would never have embarked on my journey to audio nirvana.

Thank-you Norm.

Best of luck in your journey too.
Steve, I actually had an Exemplar 3910 last week. It had been damaged in shipment and is now back with John and is fixed. I will get it early this coming week, but of course have to wait some time awaiting its breakin. I, of course, will not have the APL, but I will be comparing it with the TEAC UX-1, the Reimyo, and the 2900.

As I said, I will try to share my opinions, but in reality they may have little application to you or others.