SEAS Thor Speaker / NCMS Rhythm 9500 Unlimited


I've read about these new speakers from SEAS designed by Dr.Joseph D'Appolito and have quite an interest in them. The most recent issue of Audio Express talks about them at length and they look to be a really nice design for those of us who like a well built transmission line speaker. If you haven't seen them yet got to http://www.madisound.com and go to "kits" and they're at the bottom.

My question is,"Has anyone heard these speakers or tried to build them yet?" I'm curious for some input if you have heard them. I don't like the fact that Madisound has opted to delete the base plinth that was part of the original design so I will most likely have to build the cabinets myself. The article has a mini review but I'm looking for more reactions to these speakers.

The other kit that I've been looking at is the North Creek Music Systems / Rhythm 9500 Unlimited. Again, if you have not seen it check out, http://www.northcreekmusic.com/NorthCreekKits.html
Costwise the NCMS Rhythm 9500 Unlimited is qiute a bit more expensive but comes from some great sound guru's. Any thoughts on these would be appreciated.

Thanks,
bryhifi
Bryhifi,

I had the Vandy 2ci's for the last 7 years. I loved them. The VK200 should handle dynamics well even at low volumes with the NCMS. I drive the Rhythm sig's with a VK500. Have fun.

-Karl
Bryhifi i just read a thread on madisound about the Thors..they say its a disappearing speaker sound..and has great bass and beautiful mids..i have the Seas W22 woofers are they are of superior craftmanship. I would say this is possibly the "best" speaker going.
After stumbling across a magazine written by Joe, in a bookstore far from home this weekend, I can honestly say I am disappointed in the Thor.

Please understand my perspective, a person who learned a heck of a lot about speaker design by Joe D'Appolito via Kimon Bellas. I had always held the utmost appreciation for his talent, creativity, and experience.

However, I feel that we as speaker enthusiasts are no longer living in the world we used to. By that I mean, late 1980's - mid 1990's. Many of us have rediscovered what used to reign supreme. Tubes, low power, more simple, more truthful, more natural sound.

During this metamorphosis, speakers have needed to evolve as well. The speakers of 15 years were much more difficult to drive. Built to take the idea of the speaker designer as far as he could go. Most of these designs were a supremely punishing load for an amplifier, they required massive amounts of current. As audiophiles have turned their focus back to tubes, speaker loads have become more benign. Speakers have changed.

Joe D'Appolito's thoughts have changed some also. The Thor is a transmission line.

However, in reading the article I was most curious to see what his crossover design would be. The feeling as if I was looking at something written in 1992 came over me. Lots of capacitors, lots of coils. This speaker presents a lot of components between the drivers and amplifier. It takes current to knock down those obstacles.

Joe, please do not take this the wrong way. But, please give a more simple crossover a try.
Trelja Thanks for this very perceptive comment. You are correct. The MTM Thor design does in fact take a nice size ss amp. Very load demanding. And in my opinion a good tube amp delivers more musicality than a good ss amp. The Thor has dual W17's, and these 7 inch woofers only down to like 40 hz. But your amp needs to push 4 woofers!! I think a single W22 will produce a nice solid 30hz and will be tube friendly. I'm not looking for alot of sound, superior sound is what i'm after. The Seas line of Excel woofers just got better! They are releasing their new W26 Excel!! She's georgeous! 20hz!!! - 1000K hz. Those of you who are about to buy a sub (REL's), you may want to hold off to consider the W26. Seas > Excel > new
Tweekerman, thanks for the kind words. I agree with you very much. Especially, that a good tube amp offers more musicality than a good solid state amp.

My own tube amp drives Seas P21 Excel mids with no problems. In addition, it also drives a pair of subwoofers with Peerless 10" woofers. No sweat at all, it will play at quite high volumes. Down to 22 Hz. The secret is the simple crossover, which I described in my last post. The only thing standing between my amp and drivers is a coil and a cap. A good simple, first order parallel network. Sure, it isn't glamorous, and "techies" may complain about this or that, but it just plain sounds good.