Does subwoofer + bookshelve=full range speaker?


I am sort of new to this hobby so this may seem like a dumb question.
I always wonder if add a good sub to a bookshelve speaker do you get a same performance as the large full range speaker.ie if you add a subwoofer( assuming a good one) to B&W 805 or Martin logan entry level model . do you get the same performace as N801 or prodigy or more because the subwoofer in many instance will go even deeper than the full range speaker?
if not why not?
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Karls, Buggtussel will do custom frequency ranges. They're a small company enough that they're quite responsive to individual needs.
I can't say a smaller speaker is going to image better. The only distortion a smaller speaker intrinsically cures is less diffraction. Cabinet resonances also mess up the sound (the 801's and 802's have ceramic heads with non-parallel sidewalls whereas the cheaper models are still wood "boxes.") B&W was using concrete for some of the heads in the original 801 Matrix series. Not to mention when the designer knows they have the luxury of the LF driver they can set the crossover point a little higher than a usual sub setup and take some work of the midrange driver, reducing intermodulation distortion in the midrange and opening up new design options-like the "surroundless" midrange (which obviously have very low excursions and are physically limited from going very deep at all--hence I've never seen one in a 2 way). The bigger better models are typically using better drivers in the mid to upper frequencies which helps soundstaging, imaging, and everything else. Personnally I don't think B&W are that great--but its an example to kick around a few generalizations showing what one manufacturer did. (There's always the issue of how well they did it, the specifics may be the next model up does kind of suck, but....)
Imaging also becomes a function of the speakers off-axis response and room interactions. These two imaging properties tend to exist separate of baffle size and even driver quality. 3/4" domes have better off-axis response than 1" domes in the highs, cones have better off-axis response than domes, for better or worse [Colloms just says "there's some debate on issue" and drops it there in his book. However, I did see an AES paper by another individual that specifically addressed broad off-axis responses v. beaming, using the word loosely]. Not to mention a big baffle can be covered in foam to deal with the diffraction (Dunlavy). I'm not sure on the room standing wave issues. A sub can be placed optimally for the standing waves. But, I've also heard two subs (or two full-range speakers) will tend to smooth out the room nodes as opposed to a single lf unit. I don't think there are any generalizations that can be made on the issue, it comes down to specific designs. I won't deny some sub/sat systems can do a better job than some full-rangers--usually if you're willing to jump product lines and mix-n-match. But if you're talking within a manufacturer's model line the bigger unit *should* be better across the board. I won't deny adding a dedicated sub can probably get you deeper bass though than many "full-rangers".
maybe 801 /805 wasn't such a good example. but that say if you use the same midrange and tweeter but one has a smaller woofer 6 inch vs the full ranger model 12 or 15 inch. I think it would cost much more to build a 12/15 inches full ranger speaker and it still may not go as deep as a power subwoofer that crossover with smaller speaker . many powered subwoofer can reach 20hz where as alot of full range speaker don't get anywhere near there. I think the N801 goes down to 37hz.
Obvious you don't get someting for nothing. if it were that simple , manufacture would sttop building full range speaker , and we all be using sub/sat for our system.
" I think it would cost much more to build a 12/15 inches full ranger speaker and it still may not go as deep as a power subwoofer that crossover with smaller speaker"

True, but there's more to bass than depth/extenstion. Like output (i.e. how loud) and quality (i.e. distortion). A low system Q always means a big box, especially with acoustic suspension or infinite baffle. And some subs use eq. and other gimmicks to trick thier output in small(er) boxes.

The 801's: that 37hz is more or less still flat. At 23hz its down 6db; and -3db at 29hz--not bad. Room gain should pick that up to give it a smooth in-room response pretty much down to a reference 20hz. Alot of powered subs can go lower. Its gets into specifics, like distortion levels. Its a good speaker to supplement with one true subwoofer that'll cover 40hz on down...18hz, 8hz whatever. I really have a hard time with anyone complaining about stereo bass at 25hz.