i heard the AC L2Ds at my place...in stock form, they are underwhelming in sound but look fantastic...i believe an owner in colorado got a pair of L2SEs which had an improved crossover and an upgraded woofer yet was still not all that impressed with them so he sent them off to Rick Craig of Selah Audio to have the crossover reworked...after receiving them back, he found them to be much more to his liking...