Omnidirectional speakers. The future?


I have been interested in hi-fi for about 25 years. I usually get the hankering to buy something if it knocks my socks off. Like most I started with a pair of box speakers. Then I heard a pair of Magnepans and was instantly hooked on planars. The next sock knocker was a pair of Soundlabs. I saved until I could afford a pair of Millenium 2's. Sock knocker number 3 was a pair of Shahinian Diapasons (Omnidirectional radiators utilizing multiple conventional drivers pointed in four directions). These sounded as much like real music as anything I had ever heard.
Duke from Audiokinesis seems to be onto the importance of loudspeaker radiation patterns. I don't see alot of other posts about the subject.
Sock knocker number four was a pair of Quad 988's. But wait, I'm back to planars. Or am I? It seems the Quads emmulate a point source by utilizing time delay in concentric rings in the diaphragms. At low volumes, the Quads might be better than my Shahinians. Unfortunately they lack deep bass and extreme dynamics so the Shahinians are still my # 1 choice. And what about the highly acclaimed (and rightly so) Soundlabs. These planars are actually constructed on a radius.
I agree with Richard Shahinian. Sound waves in nature propagate in a polyradial trajectory from their point of source. So then doesn't it seem logical that a loudspeaker should try to emmulate nature?

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Living in Moscow, I have the luxury of being able to go to a lot of concerts for litte money, especially classical music. My favourite venue is the Great Hall of the Moscow Conservatoty, which is as beautiful as it offers outstanding acoustics. I go to jazz clubs, and rock concerts, too. Besides of that, Moscow has become a heaven for high end-nuts, as you can go and listen to any high end-speaker imaginable, which I have done often. Having said that, I found that omnidirectional speakers (in my case Diapasons as well) - if well executed, and coupled with good room acoostics, such as dampaning the wall behind the speakers - give me by far the most convincing memory of what the music in the real venue sounds like. I have had quite a few die-hard direct-sound only guys coming over to my place, leaving as converts for omnis.
May I ask one again, then: Did ayone here compare Shahinia and Ohm speakers?
Hassel: i've heard both brands of speakers, but never with anything remotely resembling similar electronics or in the same room. As such, i'm no help there. Sean
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Hi All,

This response is not to questions anyones opinion or sonic preference, "but" it seems that there is significant misunderstanding (even by major manufacturers) regarding reproduction of what is on a recording.

First and foremost, "ANY" sonic artifact created "after" the recording process, in the reproduction space, cannot be reality, and can do nothing but degrade the original.

While bouncing sound around the room can be quite pleasing, it is not true to the original recorded event.

Additionally, the concept of "wide dispersion" as a good thing, is ill conceived. The psychoacoustic recreation of a performance through 2 stereo speakers will only be accurate if all room interaction is reduced as much as possible.

Further, the miked ambience and reflections from the original venue are extremely delicate and subtle. They are easily destroyed by adding a second group of "in-room" sonics that cannot be filtered out.

The soundstage, and images on, and in it, are recreated by the "combination" of clear and detailed information from each speaker by the ear/brain.

A serious audiophile is generally after the most accurate reproduction of that signal. Degrading it by "spraying" sonic info all over the room cannot accomplish this.

Now, in all my years, I have certainly heard "many" beautiful sonic delights that "were not" true to the original, and further more, might even have been "better sounding" than the original, by using the room.

Amar Bose worked for years studying this application to a science. Only problem is, it doesn't work to reproduce the original performance.

Again, this is not meant to "ruffle feathers" of those with Bose, or B&O, or MBL, or even Maggies, but taking the room "out of the sonic equation" will take you closer to the original performance.

Really, its a preference thing.
If being a serious audiophile requires that I dispose of my omnis then I don't want to be one. Summitav and I live on different planets. My planet and my speakers are more or less round. Real musical instruments have "wide dispersion" and "spray" music all over the room. Isn't it possible that a speaker that mimics this might come closer to the real thing? I understand that some prefer the anechoic monitor experience. But I'll bet a dollar thata majority of listeners would prefer the sound of a good pair of omnis over a monitor setup.
Amar Bose really was on to something. Most "audiophiles" laugh about him and discount his work. I think they are making a big mistake.
As Summitav says, it is a preference thing. I just hope that more people make it a point to hear both types before they spend big bucks on a system.

Summitav, you make a very strong and I must say hard-to-dispute statement:

"First and foremost, "ANY" sonic artifact created "after" the recording process, in the reproduction space, cannot be reality, and can do nothing but degrade the original."

That sounds very convincing, but if it is true, then why are we not all listening to headphones? With absolutely zero degrading room interactions, wouldn't headphones be the holy grail - the "poor man's anechoic chamber", if you will?

Let me start out by noting that recordings are made to be listened to in a reverberant environment. If they were made to be listened to in anechoic chambers, they'd be mixed accordingly. (Some recordings are made specifically for playback through headphones, and I'm told that they sound wonderful through a good set).

So assuming those of us who have invested in loudspeakers are not insane (okay I know that's taking a leap...), the loudspeaker/room combination must be doing something good to the reproduced sound, else we'd all be saving up for a pair of Stax headphones.

The loudspeaker/room interface plays a major role in three critical areas: Spaciousness, image localization, and timbre. Let's take a look at each:

"Spaciousness is created by a large number of laterally arriving sound waves which are preferably delayed from the direct sound by more than 10ms. Only the reverberant field can possess this characteristic... In order to have the feeling of spaciousness, one must first be in a room location with a reasonably high reverberation level relative to the direct sound level." - Dr. Earl Geddes on sound perception in small rooms. So when it comes to spaciousness, reverberant energy is our friend.

On the other hand, early-arriving reflections are the enemy of precise image localization. And strong, distinct, laterally-arriving early reflections are unfortunately the worst offenders, tending to blur the image and even altering the tonal balance of the sound. So already we see a conflict here between the good things that reverberant energy can do, and the bad things it can do.

Timbre relates to the harmonic structure of a sound; the same note sounds different on different instruments because of their differing timbre. Room reflections will inevitably influence the perceived timbre, as the reverberant energy's spectral balance is summed with that of the first-arrival sound by the ear-brain system. The rich, lively sound we so enjoy in a good concert hall (and find lacking at an open-air performance) is largely the product of a highly diffuse, relatively late-arriving and slowly-decaying reverberant field (Pisha & Bilello on live end/dead end room techniques).

So reverberant energy does some good things, and some bad things. Generally speaking, strong, distinct early-arriving reflections are likely to do more harm than good, while late-arriving, diffuse reverberant energy is almost always beneficial in a home listening room.

Now, using directional speakers in a fairly live (yet diffusive) room can work quite well. The directionality of the speakers reduces the number of early reflections, and that same directionality builds up the reverberant field more slowly than wide-pattern speakers would. But the key thing is, the radiation pattern should be as uniform as possible over as much of the spectrum as possible, and this is rarely achiecved with conventional loudspeakers. Most of what passes for "directional" is really "narrow pattern at some frequencies, wide at others, and omnidirectional in the bottom three or four octaves". In an extreme case, such a speaker may well sound best when listened to in the nearfield or in a semi-anechoic environment.

In my opinion the main advantage of wide-pattern loudspeakers isn't necessarily in the relatively higher ratio of reverberant to direct energy; rather it's in the much closer correlation between the tonal balance of the direct and reverberant fields. This promotes natural-sounding timbre. Although there is a trade-off relationship between spaciousness and sound image localization, by diffusing or (if necessary) absorbing the early reflections it's possible to get good results in both areas.

So while it makes intuitive sense to say that anything the room does to the sound is degradation, I'd argue that the room does some very good things to the sound: It adds spaciousness and timral richness and liveliness, hopefully with minimal detriment to image localization. Indeed when it comes to votes cast with our wallets, I think most of us have voted in favor of at least some room interaction. Most of us have studied and auditioned extensively to find the finest pair of speakers we could reasonably (ahem) afford, while relatively few of us have pursued headphones with anything remotely approaching the same passion and budget allocation (or budget-busting, as the case may be).