Omnidirectional speakers. The future?


I have been interested in hi-fi for about 25 years. I usually get the hankering to buy something if it knocks my socks off. Like most I started with a pair of box speakers. Then I heard a pair of Magnepans and was instantly hooked on planars. The next sock knocker was a pair of Soundlabs. I saved until I could afford a pair of Millenium 2's. Sock knocker number 3 was a pair of Shahinian Diapasons (Omnidirectional radiators utilizing multiple conventional drivers pointed in four directions). These sounded as much like real music as anything I had ever heard.
Duke from Audiokinesis seems to be onto the importance of loudspeaker radiation patterns. I don't see alot of other posts about the subject.
Sock knocker number four was a pair of Quad 988's. But wait, I'm back to planars. Or am I? It seems the Quads emmulate a point source by utilizing time delay in concentric rings in the diaphragms. At low volumes, the Quads might be better than my Shahinians. Unfortunately they lack deep bass and extreme dynamics so the Shahinians are still my # 1 choice. And what about the highly acclaimed (and rightly so) Soundlabs. These planars are actually constructed on a radius.
I agree with Richard Shahinian. Sound waves in nature propagate in a polyradial trajectory from their point of source. So then doesn't it seem logical that a loudspeaker should try to emmulate nature?

holzhauer
As others have stipulated, the listening room's added reflections are distortions. But we need to always keep in mind that "what the mics heard" was insufficient to represent what a human listener at the event would have perceived, and that what they did hear was judged largely based on the engineer's experience of monitoring and mastering in control rooms that are neither performance spaces nor anechoic chambers, and about what type of finished product will sound best played back in a typical home listening room through typical home speakers. A recording is not an objective 'verite' account of what happened, but a subjectively molded account derived from certain common assumptions intrinsically embedded in the production and reproduction processes - one of which is that there will be some liveliness to the listening room.

This also goes to my point about a speaker's radiation pattern and the acceptance pattern of the mics not necessarily being commensurate, but quite possibly incompatible, if we want to minmize listening room reflections by limiting dispersion (and often even if we don't). The simplistic assertion, made by some speaker manufacturers, that speaker radiation must somehow mimic microphone acceptance is further undermined by the implicit, but false, assumption that all recordings will be minimally mic'ed and that we can even know the acceptance patterns of the mics used, much less their positioning. For recordings assembled from multi-mono multi-mic'ing, and of course for electrical direct-injection into a recording console, the relationship simply doesn't exist at all. A more pertinent relationship might be that of the radiation pattern of the mixing and mastering monitors to that of the home speakers, but of course that can't be a consistent thing. In the final analysis, the best way to assess speaker radiation pattern must be subjective auditioning in the room in which they will be placed, using the kind of music which will be played through them, by the person who will be doing the listening.

About Karl's point #2, although it's true to a certain extent that if the listening room could match the recording venue, then the overlayed refections would be more "consistent", they would still be just as distorting. And the problem would be worse the larger and livelier the two rooms were. However, for smaller and relatively 'dead' rooms, I think we have some evidence in favor of this hypothesis, however unimportantly. Many of us will own some of Rudy van Gelder's vintage Blue Note jazz recordings (mono or stereo), hundreds of the earlier ones of which were taped right in his New Jersey home's furnished living room, employing minimal mic'ing. Despite the facts that these recordings are bandwidth-limited, afflicted with dynamic distortions, and subject off-axis and less-proximate instruments to premature roll-off, nevertheless many can display a scary amount of the familiar quality of sounding especially 'real' when listened to from another part of the house outside the listening room, where their flaws are not only less obvious, but where the direct and reflected room sounds have melded into one indirect sound deviod of specific spatial cues, regardless of the speakers used. In this narrow sense, these records can rather easily exceed higher-fidelity concert hall or studio recordings. My theory has long been that this is precisely because they were recorded in an acoustic environment presumably very similar to most people's playback environments. Try it sometime...
Very interesting thread with a nice range of opinions.

I'm wondering if anyone can comment on how an omni-like speaker such as a Shahinian or an Ohm might be expected to fare in a very large space- say 1200 square feet with 16' ceilings- with reflective walls and floors. Is this kind of space more or less likely to take positive advantage of the design principals behind an omni.
Binaural Recording Baby! - If you want to feel like you are there! So how come nobody does it? Jazz At The Pawnshop, clearly one of the most successful recordings of all time, was done with a binaural setup. From the Proprius website:

"Palmcrantz rigged the main microphone pair facing the stage, about two metres above the floor. These microphones were Neumann U47 cardioids, spaced 15-20 cm and inclined at an angle of 110-135 degrees.

This ORTF stereo technique - named after the French radio which introduced this simplified dummy head technique at the beginning of the sixties - was, according to Palmcrantz, the best method for optimal stereo effect and spatiality.

- Real stereo effect can only be achieved by placing the microphones in a similar way to the disposition of the ears.

Such a pair stood in front of the stage at Stampen and another pair was placed to the right of the stage, facing the audience in order to recreate the right "live" feeling. Some auxiliary supporting microphones were also necessary. One microphone was placed next to the grand piano standing on the right-hand side of the platform with its lid open, and Palmcrantz hung two cardioid Neumann KM56s over the drums on the left side of the stage. The bass, standing in the middle, and connected to a little combo amplifier on a chair, was supported by a Neumann M49, also in omnidirectional mode. The microphone was placed in such a way that it caught sound both from the instrument and from the amplifier's loudspeaker. "

I had a feeling this thread would get around to this end of things eventually. One of the biggest problems for us trying to reproduce music at home is inconsistent recording technique/methodology.

If all recordings were done this way I don't think you'd want/need Omni speakers to give you that feeling of presence.
To me a true binaural recording uses a dummy-head mic, although again, in the end the playback system positioning remains a rather arbitrary and subjective thing by comparison.
Hi Billhound,

In general, a large room is desirable because it introduces a greater time delay between the first-arrival sound and the onset of significant reverberant energy. This is probably more true for directional speakers than for omnidirectional ones, but both types would probably benefit from a large room in this respect.

The larger the room, the more the power response (summed omnidirectional response) tends to dominate the perceived tonal balance. This is because as you move farther away from the speakers, the loudness of the direct sound falls off more rapidly than does the loudness of the reverberant energy. With conventional speakers, the tonal balance is likely to be audibly degraded once you move back far enough for the power response to dominate. With omnis or other consistent-pattern speakers, the tonal balance will hold up better in a large room.

To given an extreme example, once upon a time I hauled my then-pair of big home-brew speakers (1" tweet, 7" mid, two 15" woofers) to an informal dance held in a church's activity room. To my shame and horror, my beloved behemoths sounded sluggish on bottom, harsh in the mids, dull on top, and overall quite fatiguing. I was mortified, as I'd been letting the locals know what a kick-butt speaker builder I was. Now I understand that those were the wrong speakers for that application, as the power response totally dominated the perceived tonal balance in that large space and their power response was quite poor, having never been given a second thought by their designer (ahem). That's why people use horns or horn/woofer hybrids at dances - they have a much better power response, even if up close and in the "sweet spot" conventional speakers would sound better. High output omnis like the Wolcott Omnisphere also work well in this sort of application.

Getting back to your 1600 square foot room with 16 foot ceilings, I would definitely argue in favor of a speaker that generates a tonally correct reverberant field over one that does not. You may or may not prefer a very wide-pattern speaker like the Shahinians; if you do, they'll sound great in there. In a medium-wide but still consistent pattern speaker, you have full-range planars like the Sound Labs and big Maggies, and dynamic dipoles from Gradient and Audio Artistry. If you like a narrower pattern speaker, then for a large room you might consider horn-based systems like the offerings from Edgarhorn, Classic Audio Reproductions, eXemplar, Pi Speakers, Zingali, SP Technologies, and the Klipsch Heritage line. [disclaimer - I sell two of the brands mentioned here]. But dealing with a 1600 square foot room with 16 foot ceilings is a nice problem to have.

Well, them's my thoughs.

Duke