Absolute top tier DAC for standard res Redbook CD


Hi All.

Putting together a reference level system.
My Source is predominantly standard 16/44 played from a MacMini using iTunes and Amarra. Some of my music is purchased from iTunes and the rest is ripped from standard CD's.
For my tastes in music, my high def catalogues are still limited; so Redbook 16/44 will be my primary source for quite some time.

I'm not spending DCS or MSB money. But $15-20k retail is not out of the question.

Upsampling vs non-upsampling?
USB input vs SPDIF?

All opinions welcome.

And I know I need to hear them, but getting these ultra $$$ DAC's into your house for an audition ain't easy.

Looking for musical, emotional, engaging, accurate , with great dimension. Not looking for analytical and sterile.
mattnshilp
Hi Matt. Even though I have been following this thread, being that it is so long I am not sure if anyone mentioned the Totaldac company of products for you to check out. They do have a 14 day home trial and they might be willing to extend it. Of what I have read by both reviewers and owners they all have praised Totaldac as, if not the best they have heard (most say best) then on par with the best, regardless of cost.

The owner is very easy to talk to and very responsive.

I am in the processes of trying out their USB Cable/filter. As I just got it and it needs about a week of burn-in to settle in, I have heard some changes (for the better) from when it was first installed. At first it was very foreword and EVERYTHING was sounding dynamically compressed, loud. Then after about a day or so it all changed for the better and continues to improve, but on a smaller scale. But I must say it (IMHO) has already bettered a HIGHLY regarded and VERY well known and used by many USB Cable that costs more then twice the Totaldac cable.

Well enough of the cable. I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the DACs by Totaldac.
Hello all....

My humble apologies for not posting for a while. The K-01 is a daunting beast when it comes to burn in. Each freakin' setting requires its own 500 hours of burn in, which is slow and makes for a boring posting period. Again, apologies.

At this time, I have burned in:
S-dly2/4x upsampling - 500+ hours
DSD/0 upsampling - 500+ hours
S-dly1/4x upsampling - complete on 11/7

Once done, I will sit and decide which of the settings I like the best. I have purchased a few SACD's to enjoy during that session, although I have ripped my current 16/44 demo song list onto CD as well to keep things red book for a fair and equal comparison.

Once I have decided which setting I like best, I will then burn that setting in another 500 hours while simultaneously burning in the USB input from my computer to compare the K-01 as a standalone DAC with my lovely ODSE. Sorry again, but to get the most from the K-01 really requires a lot of time. As far as I am concerned, a well burned in piece of kit has a higher value then something brand new....

From my reading, I have read the USB conversion system in the K-01 is not the best. My expectation is that my ODSE will beat the K-01 as a DAC for my Mac; but I remain open minded until the notes hit my ears. I still think that the ODSE's Off Ramp USB conversion tech gives it a huge advantage.... That said, the performance of Alex's DAC was exceptional and he was implementing some newer USB conversion tech (as he described). I am waiting anxiously for Steve's new ODSX to hit the shelves; I have very very high expectations...

Please remember that Steve is here because I invited him. I think he has been appropriate and professional all along. Never criticizing others negatively and frequently adding a level of technical knowledge I, for one, woefully lack.

Also remember that I didn't really buy the K-01 to use as a DAC; I bought it to have a top tier SACD source.

I have no doubt that the new Berkeley unit is stellar, and I will watch closely for a good deal to come up so that I can grab one and try it in my room. Feel free to PM me if you see a good deal on one.

Speaking of my room, I should be starting construction on my dedicated listening room in a few weeks. 15' x 18.5' x 9' dedicated room just for me and my stereo. No windows, 1 door. All switches, outlets, fixtures exactly where I want them to put treatments where they need to go and make the room sound its best. I have high hopes that it will take my system to another realm entirely, considering how good it sounds now in such a bad room.

I believe I will eventually use a combination of treatments including GIK, Vicoustics, Acoustic Fields and potentially a custom piece or two... Although I do believe I can accomplish 95% of what I need with just Vicoustics and GIK.

My biggest question is the classic absorption vs diffusion at the first reflection points and front wall. Most other treatments are pretty well agreed upon... Corner traps, combo of diffusion and absorption on rear wall. I'm waiting for some room evaluations/calculations to come through. I'll keep you posted.

I welcome opinions and suggestions for room treatments.

I'll keep you updated on the Room, and the K-01 as things progress.

On a side note, the Burmester gear is being picked up next week. I'm sad to see it go and see them as a target to focus on for next year. I need to restate that it requires a $35K retail amplifier to replace my Veritas monoblocks. I tried a bunch of amps in between the price of the Veritas and the Burmester 911mk3 and although some were better, none were better enough to justify selling the Veritas and upgrading; the cost to improvement over the Merrill amps just wasn't there. Not until the 911mk3/077 combo. That is quite a feather in Merrill Audio's hat. And the list of amps I tried includes other NC1200 "digital" amps including the Mola Mola. The Veritas amps are really that good...
I just remembered why I have not looked into the Berkeley equipment more closely - no USB input.

Goes WAY back in the thread - but I don't want to deal with a separate USB to SPDIF converter and additional cable. I just don't. There were a few absolute top tier DAC's that just never made my list because they didn't have USB inputs. And I think one or two on my list would have done better if their USB conversion was better.

Maybe after I have upgraded everything else as far as I can, and finished my room, would I feel the need to move beyond my current DAC (or the K-01 or ODSX if I like it more) and take the steps to bring in a separate USB to SPDIF converter and additional cable. Or, more likely would be that somewhere along the way I find a top tier digital music server that satisfies my needs and has an SPDIF output...
"09-10-14: Audioengr
...... What are you talking about? Where did you get your EE degree?
Steve N.
Empirical Audio"

"09-10-14: Almarg
..... Where did you get your EE degree?
BSEE Columbia University
MSEE Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
+ 33 years experience designing and managing design of analog, digital, A/D, and D/A converter circuits for defense electronics."
Jon2020 - easy there.

Inflammatory remarks beget Inflammatory remarks....

Let's keep it productive please. Everyone.