Are horn speaker colored or more open and dynamic?

Twl, I entirely agree, but at the time of this initial post, it seemed to be the concensus on Audiogon that all horns were colored.

TBG, I agree that is the consensus, and that consensus has merit. Horns are very likely to impart additional colorations to the sound, due to the nature of their operation. However, if the horn design is very good, the colorations can be minimal, and the improvement of efficiency, and its attendant improvements is producing deep detail, can outweigh any minimal colorations imparted(at least with some listeners).

All speakers, no matter what design, will impart colorations to the sound. The key is to have the colorations not intrude significantly into your sensitivities, while still achieving other important aspects of producing your sound. All in audio is a trade-off. No free lunch. Sometimes you make a small sacrifice in one area, to achieve superior results in another area which may be more important to you as a listener.

While this may seem both obvious, and vague, at the same time, it is one of the most important things for any audiophile to realize. Nothing is perfect. The key to your listening happiness is to maximize the things that are most important to your sensitivities as a listener, while making the smalles sacrifices possible in the areas of less importance to your listening sensitivites. This is different for different people. That is why some are in nirvana with a certain system, and others couldn't even stand to listen to it.

Generally, with horns, the efficiency level is improved to the point that you require much less amplifier power to achieve desired SPL, which makes the amplifier less strained and improves the sound of the amp. Also, dynamic range is improved, as well as low-level detail. If the horn doesn't make any objectionable colorations to you personally, then it is good enough, being that you are achieving these other benefits. One of the really limiting factors of horns occur in the bass, where proper horn size is too large to fit into the listening room, and engineering compromises are made for compactness, that hurts the performance of the bass horn. The result is that deep bass is not readily achievable out of a compact bass horn. This makes designers resort to non-horn bass drivers, and then integration problems occur, where the bass is not as "fast" as the rest of the spectrum. These are just some of the difficulties that designers face, in trying to make these horn systems.

Basically, a horn is an impedance-coupling device to more efficiently couple the driver motion to the surrounding air. It does this very efficiently, but may make colorations in an objectionable way.

This is why I wrote what I did, because it is truly the listener's decision if the trade-offs are worthwhile in each individual case.

Well said. But I think that few recognize that all speaker systems have colorations or suppressed dynamics. I personally cannot deal with the lack of dynamic realism of inefficient speakers or the lack of clarity in the amps that are necessary to drive them.

At the time of my initial post I was reacting to someone who said that since I relied on colored horns in my evaluations, my reviews were worthless. My reaction is that ONLY someone with a well done horn system can truly evaluation many components.

I recognize your sincerity and agree with everything you say.

Ah yes indeed, the second law of thermodynamics creeps in yet again. The trade-off doesn't exist only in audio, but in EVERYTHING. The energy balance has to hold.

This is the very idea that has lead me to lose interest in opinionated posts in audio forums. Everyone is different, likes different things, and cannot possibly obtain the perfect combination of any components and so we all have a floating ground. You have to decide on your own (or let your wallet do it) when to stop and accept the compromise you have before you as good enough - at least for the present. Other's opinions are not really any help but rather pure entertainment that satisfies curiosity, IMO, which is good enough to apparently keep it going. To this end, taking opinions as seriously as some do is folly. Don't worry about colorations, or what he likes, or what audiophiles like. Just find something You like and enjoy it - simple as that! Arthur