Biamping Dunlavy SC-V


Hi, does anyone have experience with passive biamping Dunlavy speakers, especially the SC-V? Can you tell me what were the results?
dazzdax
Hi Sean, thx for the thorough explanation. I'm not a technician, but wouldn't a well designed loudspeaker system comprise drivers with the same impedance? Otherwise the system would not sounding balanced through out the frequency spectrum. But it "sounds" like there is some impedance mismatch (as I stated earlier) between the two halves of the cross over networks. What I hear is an almost caricatural reproduction of music, with a far too loud bass and recessed and undynamic midrange/treble. Btw, I'm also using the same speaker cables and a pair of interconnects, splitted by an Y-splitter to provide both monoamps with the same signal (in biamp configuration).
The pairs of Dunlavy drivers are 8ohm wired in parallel except of course the tweeter which is a single 4ohm driver. When I biamped my SC4s I thought the mids and highs stuck out more than the bass. I never used an RTA to measure this perception. Sean is correct about the crossover freq..of 200 hz. it uses a 8.2mh inductor to roll the highs out of the woofer and a 200 mic cap to roll the lows out of the mids. Could there be a dropping resistor in the mid crossover that some how gets bypassed when bi-amped?..That would be wierd..Tom
Dazzdax: I can't tell you what's going on, but you have obviously changed the impedance that the preamp sees. That is, you're dividing the signal between two amps rather than just feeding one. This lowers the impedance that the preamp sees by 50%, effectively cutting it in half. This in turn will draw twice as much current from the output stage of the preamp, which could account for yet another reason that the system sounds loaded down or bass heavy. Most preamps are horribly under-designed in terms of their output stage, hence designers trying to keep the input impedance of the amp up. Your system is now making your preamp work twice as hard and it may not like it at all.

The way that you are splitting the signal also creates different nodes in terms of voltage to current distribution within the cabling itself. This too could be a factor in why things sound differently than they did with just one amp per speaker. Optimally, the signal should have been separated at the preamp. Not only does this introduce less line loss by increasing the surface area, the amps also receive the benefit of better electrical separation from one another.

By splitting the signal closer to the amps, the potential for crosstalk from one amp to another is drastically increased. Given that most all amps suffer from their output stage modulating their input stage to some degree, the woofer amp may be modulating what the tweeter amp sees. Using separate interconnects all the way back to the preamp would have provided better isolation between the amps with the longer pathway acting as a buffer.

You've got a lot of variables going on here with the electronics in the system, not so much with the speakers. While it is possible that the speakers have an internal wiring problem inside of them as Tom suggests, you would literally have to pull the speakers apart and make a diagram of the crossover network. While Dunlavy was a good engineer, that doesn't mean that some knucklehead in production couldn't have made a mistake.

As a side note, we ran into this with my Father's Legacy speakers a while back. Sometime during construction of the crossover of these speakers, one leg of the midrange circuit was tied to the woofer circuit. Given that my Dad had never bi-amped these speakers ( only bi-wired them ), this wouldn't have created a problem since the entire circuit was all driven by the same amp anyhow. Having said that, had he tried to bi-amp the speakers, this simple mistake in production could have severely damaged both of the amps. That's because the mis-wired midrange would have electrically tied the two channels of the individual woofer and tweeter amps together. Sean
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PS... For as much money as some of you guys are spending on gear, you really need to find a technically competent dealer to work with. Buying and assembling a few components to work together and produce sound is completely different than building a complex audio system at the cutting edge of music reproduction. From what i've seen though, this might be more difficult than i've thought.

Most of the high priced dealers are either lacking in technical chops and / or more interested in profit margins than anything else. Keeping the customers on the equipment carousel i.e. "flavour of the month club", whether on purpose or due to lack of technical understanding, surely isn't going to hurt their income levels. That is, until the customer has had enough and either gives up entirely or learns to do for themselves.

Once you learn to do for yourselves and can understand basic electronics, it makes it much easier to cut through the marketing hype and snake oil. This is why i encourage folks to learn on their own, but at the same ti me, it is also why finding and supporting a good dealer is important to the survival of high end audio. Without them, we have no visible means of entry into this hobby to the general public.
You can unscrew the rear terminal panel and the entire crossover will slide out a tract..In this way you could diagram and inspect the crossover..These babies are ripe for component crossover upgrades..What a suprise lurking..Tom
Tom brought something up to me privately that i'm hoping all of us didn't forget to address. It is so simple that it is easy to overlook as we tend to take this kind of matter for granted. That is, the jumpers that connect the woofer section to the high frequency section should have been removed. If that wasn't taken care of, i would highly recommend doing so pronto : ) Sean
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