REL Quake or ACI Force for semi small room

Dear Matthew: The Rel subs are a very good ones but are inadequate for a proper stereo music/soun reproduction.

I think that the REL design is more adequate to HT applications than for a stereo music reproduction.

For a less distortion design the REL subs sum-up the left and right channel signals and always works in mono way, this single characteristic unfit for stereo aplications.

Again, please read carefully at: http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1117893153&openflup&27&4#27

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Raul ... the problem with your answers is that you always assume unlimited (or very high) budget.

All hifi components may be "inadequate" but also may represent the best compromise at their price points. The art of engineering is to find the best balance of compromises in order to hit the market at the correct price point.

If a REL (or similar) is inadequate I think you should tell us how you propose to improve on the REL for a budget of $800, roughly the cost of a used Strata 3.

Dear Sean: " unlimited budget ": all my post always are thinking in benefits/improvements for the proper stereo music reproduction, but you are right about the " budget " I almost not think about, sorry for that.

You are right too about " the best compromise at their price points ". But this is not the issue, the issue still is: PROPER STEREO MUSIC REPRODUCTION AT HOME.
There is almost none situation where the REL subs can meet this statement. The REL subs has a design that's is better for HT applications.

+++++ " I think you should tell us how you propose to improve on the REL for a budget.. " +++++

There are other subs alternatives to REL for proper stereo reproduction: Velodyne, Paradigm, M&K, HSU, Bag End, B&W, etc....

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Perhaps you could be a little more specific. Say for example:

I have $800 to spend.
I have an integrated amplifier.
I like the sound of my monitor speakers, I just want to extend their performance.

Sure, there are other sub manufacturers, but you have given no indication of how their offerings could give a superior solution at the given price point.

If someone were to ask how to get better performance from their honda civic and they have $1000 to spend telling them to go trade for a 911 turbo doesn't really help them.

Dear Sean: Others subs manufacturers give you the option to integrate their subs in a truly stereo fashion not like the REL ones that always give you a mono signal sound reproduction.

Like Eldartford post on the subs analog forum thread:
+++++ "I regard the "subwoofer" not as a separate speaker system, but as part of the main speaker system...the part that the manufacturer left out because of size and cost. " +++++

We need two subs for a proper stereo music sound reproduction not only one. Sure you can use only one but that can't say it is right. Maybe some people use only one sub and in this unortodox application the REL is fine, but I repeat: FOR A PROPER STEREO MUSIC REPRODUCTION AT HOME WE ALMOST ALWAYS NEED TWO SUBWOOFERS.

Please take your time and read carefully the link that I already post elsewhere in this thread. There you can read all the advantages, other than " more bass ", that we can have when we integrate subs in our stereo audio systems.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.