How would you desribe Von Schweiket VR-4jr sound?

Since we've veered off a little bit here, I decided to reread the original post. I'm under the auditioner category and this sums up my experience: I found the 4jrs to be involving (which is a good thing, I wasn't looking around the room or checking the time on my watch...), but rather than an emotional connection to the music/performance, I felt more of a connection to the sound quality of the recording. So there WAS a connection, it just wasn't the one that I ultimately look for.

I think that's why I categorize them as fun to listen to. If someone's particular priorities are different than mine, then it's very possible that the 4jrs can provide emotional connection for them - that's fine. It's ok, we don't all have the opportunity to hear every piece of gear in the world, but I'm just very used to the seamless integration that my speakers provide, and that's what I listen for in other brands. I would still recommend anyone in the price range to try them, because we all hear things differently.

Newbee, thanks for refering to the "truth" thread - I meant to get to that.

Newbee,

I meant the truth as opposed to making stuff up. But that's just my opinion - I could be wrong.

I wasn't getting into a philosophical discussion about truth; I thought that was obvious, but I guess I should have been more clear.

Yes, I reveal my true self. I see no reason to hide it or to be artificial. I apologize for the ugliness of that. I feel justified with my post. You obviously feel justified in personally attacking me, and I will take accept your criticism.

Rob

Rob, I was not personally attacking you, I was commenting on your conduct in this thread. There is a meaningful difference. All I did was hold up a mirror for you - you looked and admitted that it revealed an ugliness. If it matters not to you, it matters not to me. If my post offened you, or other Audiogon members I appoligize for not finding a more civil way of expressing myself.

Something else for you to reflect on - consider that generally only folks who have your best interests at heart will tell you when your fly is open. The rest stand about and giggle about how ridiculious you appear and wait for your Johnson to appear.

FWIW, on the original inquiry I have nothing I consider of value to say about the 4Jr's. I've followed their entry into the market place, the initial marketing, the reviews, and the different reactions folks have had to them. I've heard them a few times under unfamilar conditions. I've simply assumed that they are good speakers which may not have risen to the elevated initial expectations some folks may have had for them. This happens often in this hobby. That they would meet all of your expectations is wonderful.

I would agree with you that speculating why any group of folks would be drawn to, or not, any particular sound system, would be specious at best, and I think very few would actually fit into the stereotypical profiles advanced. There are a few audiophiles who listen to train whistles and planes taking off on high end systems as well as musicphiles who listen to Mahler on Bose speakers. I would expect the the total of both would be less than 1% of the Audiogon contributors, and that the majority of us enjoy well recorded music on revealing systems, but can easily listen to music which is less than optimally recorded over these systems when it is music and/or performance which truly engages us.

Newbee,

I was not offended at all. You may have used tact, but you did personally attack me. Your post said "You define yourself far more than you define others - your choice - ;(". It may be a passive aggressive way to attack rather than the straight, harsh attacks that I dish out. I can accept it however. I expected that after my post. I still stand by it. I appreciate your candor and I have nothing against you or Opalchip, but when someone starts making claims, I have to call them on it - especially if he is going to make some crazy claims, contradicting himself, and then running off so he would not have to answer speculation. I should be more dignified instead of ugly about it (something for me to work on). I see my own shortcomings, and I'm sure if you turned that mirror around you would see some as well. That's neither here nor there.

I think the criticism about recordings that are less than optimal has more to do with the speakers not masking the flaws than the fact that these speakers don't sound good on less than optimal recordings. Most of what I listen to is less than optimal and these speakers sound great with that. If a recording is forward sounding in the treble however, these speakers will sound forward in the treble. Given some of the criticisms above make me wonder what in their system or recording is causing these sounds that I don't hear in my systems with average recordings, and I am a long way from having perfect gear. That's all.

Rob