Electrostatic-vs-Planar strength, weakness


I am curious about talking to owners who have had both types of speakers, what is some pluses and minus camparing a large Electro hybrid like an Innersound Eros to a Maggie 3.6?
chadnliz
how is the sound lab for reliability ??? i have never owned a pair, but the local dealer stopped carrying the line due to horrible /slow/rude service..

maggies are pretty relaible and easy to repair if needed..
Mikesinger brings up questions about the reliability of Sound Lab speakers, and says that a local dealer "stopped carrying the line due to horrible/slow/rude service."

Let me address the dealer's characterization of Sound Lab's service first, and then I'll address the reliability issue.

In the five or six years I've been a Sound Lab customer and dealer, I've never known them to be rude or horrible, nor unnecessarily slow (sometimes they have to wait on a part and that can slow things down). I've seen them bend over backwards (often without the customer's knowledge) to take care of people. I've seen them eat the costs of damage that was not their fault (such as shipping damage). Sound Lab has been in business since the 1970's, and companies don't last that long without taking care of their customers. So while I don't know the details of the specific incidents that led Mikesinger's dealer to characterize Sound Lab's service as "horrible/slow/rude", my own experiences lead me to believe that there may well be another side to the story. Sound Lab has taken care of every customer of mine that ever had a problem.

Sound Lab has at times had reliability problems due to inconsistencies in insulation material (and occasionally in power supplies, but that's a relatively easy fix). Sometimes a formerly good insulation supplier's quality control goes down, resulting in insulation that would pass an initial test but later fail in the field. I suspect Mikesinger's dealer carried the line at a time when they were struggling with insulation issues. A couple of years ago Roger West and a team of chemists set out to develop an insulation material that would be as close as possible to ideal, along with the manufacturing and assembly processes that would eliminate microbubbles or other minisucle flaws in the material that could lead to insulation failure. Since the introduction of these new materials and processes a little over a year ago, to the best of my knowledge there have been no insulation failures that were not due to outside damage (such as a crated panel being dropped off the back of a delivery truck, or a forklift spearing a shipping crate).

In my experience, most of the problems arising in older Sound Labs appear after a pair has been shipped without the factory crates. So if you ever go shopping for a used pair, place a high priority on either having them properly crated or delivered by someone who knows what they're doing (wrapping in bubble wrap and handing them over to Mangle Freight is a recipe for disaster). I've delivered several pairs personally without the factory crates with nary a glitch, and would be happy to share details of how to pack them in a trailer or van for safe transportation.

I have owned seven pairs of Sound Labs, and all of them are still in service (six with their new owners). Two of the earlier pairs had to have insulation repairs under warranty, and one pair was dropped in shipment and had to have the diaphragms re-tensioned (done at the factory, but if I'd known what the problem was I could have done it myself).

That being said, I will concede that Maggies are indeed reliable and relatively easy to service.

Duke
Jafox makes some good points. The Maggies love lots of power, the more the better, and often but not always are preferred with tubes driving them. Due to their flat profile, the larger models can produce a bit more chest-thumping bass than dipoles with different radiating characteristics, although conventional cone woofers deliver more impact, yet in my experience dipoles deliver much greater pitch definition.

The radiating characteristics of cone woofers and planar or line source dipoles are vastly different, however. In an anechoic environment the sound from a point source decays at 6 dB for every doubling of distance between the source and the listener, due to the logarithmic relationship of the proportion of areas of the corresponding spheres.

A cone woofer isn't exactly a point source, it doesn't quite radiate in all directions, and most of our rooms are somewhat reverberant - the latter has the effect of reducing the decay some by room reinforcement and room resonances. As with most speakers, a hybrid planar/cone woofer speaker is designed for even response at what the designer considers to be the typical volume at the typical listening distance in the typical room. Getting the right balance between woofer and planar element in such circumstances thus is a balancing act.

Conversely, the sound from a line source or virtual line source drops off at 3 dB for every doubling of distance between the source and the listener, since the logarithmic relationship is computed based on areas of cylinders at those distances. Again, this is based upon the theoretical anechoic environment, and actual room acoustics affect this some but less than the point source.

A speaker using a flat planar diaphragm falls somewhere in between a line source and a point source, although much closer to a line source dependent upon frequency. A speaker with a flat diaphragm, whether a planar magnetic or electrostatic, often can produce greater sound pressure levels than one with a curved or faceted membrane, due to the way acoustic energy stays concentrated along the axis perpendicular to the diaphragm, although it depends upon the speaker. Conversely, the response especially at high frequencies drops off as one moves off axis, giving a small sweet spot for optimum listening. An example of this is the Quad ESL (I have owned a pair for quite a while) which fortunately has a bass panel on either side of the treble panel. Ribbon tweeters can counteract this by virtue of the width of the ribbon being small enough in proportion to the wavelengths, but then one has the effect of two parallel quasi-line sources and the challenge of timing between them dependent on listening position.

Aside from the radiating characteristics. there is the matter of moving mass and thus how responsive and resolving the speaker can be, especially at low volumes. Thicker membranes simply cannot get out of the way as quickly as lighter ones, without requiring power several magnitudes greater. A related benefit of low moving mass is smooth frequency response across a broader range of volume levels. Large horn speakers and full range dipoles, while radically different, tend to excel at different volume levels. Because there are exceedingly few horns I consider relatively uncolored (the Siemens Bionor being one - it's much too large, though), I've made my choice of full range dipoles that are virtual line sources and bought Sound Labs, later to become a dealer (there's my disclaimer - hopefully not sounding like a pitch). I guess I got hooked on planars the day I heard a properly triamped set of Magneplanar Tympani IIIA's many years ago, an epiphany at the time.

Brian