Electrostatic-vs-Planar strength, weakness


I am curious about talking to owners who have had both types of speakers, what is some pluses and minus camparing a large Electro hybrid like an Innersound Eros to a Maggie 3.6?
chadnliz
Jafox makes some good points. The Maggies love lots of power, the more the better, and often but not always are preferred with tubes driving them. Due to their flat profile, the larger models can produce a bit more chest-thumping bass than dipoles with different radiating characteristics, although conventional cone woofers deliver more impact, yet in my experience dipoles deliver much greater pitch definition.

The radiating characteristics of cone woofers and planar or line source dipoles are vastly different, however. In an anechoic environment the sound from a point source decays at 6 dB for every doubling of distance between the source and the listener, due to the logarithmic relationship of the proportion of areas of the corresponding spheres.

A cone woofer isn't exactly a point source, it doesn't quite radiate in all directions, and most of our rooms are somewhat reverberant - the latter has the effect of reducing the decay some by room reinforcement and room resonances. As with most speakers, a hybrid planar/cone woofer speaker is designed for even response at what the designer considers to be the typical volume at the typical listening distance in the typical room. Getting the right balance between woofer and planar element in such circumstances thus is a balancing act.

Conversely, the sound from a line source or virtual line source drops off at 3 dB for every doubling of distance between the source and the listener, since the logarithmic relationship is computed based on areas of cylinders at those distances. Again, this is based upon the theoretical anechoic environment, and actual room acoustics affect this some but less than the point source.

A speaker using a flat planar diaphragm falls somewhere in between a line source and a point source, although much closer to a line source dependent upon frequency. A speaker with a flat diaphragm, whether a planar magnetic or electrostatic, often can produce greater sound pressure levels than one with a curved or faceted membrane, due to the way acoustic energy stays concentrated along the axis perpendicular to the diaphragm, although it depends upon the speaker. Conversely, the response especially at high frequencies drops off as one moves off axis, giving a small sweet spot for optimum listening. An example of this is the Quad ESL (I have owned a pair for quite a while) which fortunately has a bass panel on either side of the treble panel. Ribbon tweeters can counteract this by virtue of the width of the ribbon being small enough in proportion to the wavelengths, but then one has the effect of two parallel quasi-line sources and the challenge of timing between them dependent on listening position.

Aside from the radiating characteristics. there is the matter of moving mass and thus how responsive and resolving the speaker can be, especially at low volumes. Thicker membranes simply cannot get out of the way as quickly as lighter ones, without requiring power several magnitudes greater. A related benefit of low moving mass is smooth frequency response across a broader range of volume levels. Large horn speakers and full range dipoles, while radically different, tend to excel at different volume levels. Because there are exceedingly few horns I consider relatively uncolored (the Siemens Bionor being one - it's much too large, though), I've made my choice of full range dipoles that are virtual line sources and bought Sound Labs, later to become a dealer (there's my disclaimer - hopefully not sounding like a pitch). I guess I got hooked on planars the day I heard a properly triamped set of Magneplanar Tympani IIIA's many years ago, an epiphany at the time.

Brian
duke - i would like to put down the dealers name but i dont think it would be proper ( heres a hint, i live in southern california)...

over the 18 years i have known him, to say he is a "really good person" is a understatement:
-always does the right thing even if he takes a loss
-good for his word
-honest
-community services (help the poor)
-tells the truth
-generous
-never oversells

this is best audio dealer a customer could ever as ask for. his viewpoint/opinion/experience is as good as gold. i think this is why he gets the premium high end home system installation in the area and out of the area- impeccable reputation.

when i look to make a purchase outside of what he carries, if he knows the item he will offer his experience and the pro/cons of the item...

i do agree with you- there are 2 sides to every story...this is what was told to me

in this case with soundlab - 18 months for a repair is a long time and incorrectly repaired is insult to injury (soundlab replaced the rear base in a different wood finish because it got water damaged at the factory- didnt want to change it because it was behind the speaker and would not be seen)...

i dont have any reason to disbelieve him not to mention i have known him too long (doesnt exaggerate- very understated).. but i have experienced long repair times myself and it is pretty uncool imo get crappy service on a $$$ product)

in the case of a planar speaker (very, very delicate item) i think magnapan wins hands down- durablity, servicebility, cost, sound quality and company reputation hands down of any planar/static/ribbon speaker (this includes martin logan,quad,apogee,soundlab,audiostatic,eminent tech,carver etc...)

a lot of planar companies have come and gone but maggie has produced a high quality over the years and i have never heard or read about poor qc or customer service... that is pretty good for a 30 + year manufacture..

btw, i am not affilated with the audio industry (medical sales) just a audiophile who loves music and has been around this stuff for 18 years....
I concur with what most are saying here. I had a complete Martin Logan surround setup with Prodigys up front. The detail/resolution and holographic presentation of vocals were jaw dropping. Sweet spot was small. Hybrid bass was fine by me, although others have felt it was problematic integrating.

In the end, I found the sound too analytical for my equipment, room, tastes. I replaced everything with a Magnepan surround setup. To my ears, in my system, in my room the Magnepans are more musical, natural, and forgiving. I definitely felt like I lost some detail, but I have no complaints with the Maggies in this regard.

Dipole bass is different as others have mentioned. As said elsewhere, the pitch definition seems superior to dynamic speakers, but it doesn't rock like a dynamic speaker. That's fine by me, but your tastes may vary.

Maggies don't have the best build quality, but some easy and sometimes free tweaks to improve sound (e.g. fuse and attenuator bypass, but do this at your own risk). The funky posts they have for banana plugs only suck. I'm in the process of upgrading to normal 5-way binding posts on mine.

Even after my preference for the Maggies over the MLs, I couldn't give up the Prodigys until I only recently decided to sell them. They were that good at what they did do. Read up on what everyone has to say about the different types/models, audition for yourself if you can, and pick your poison!