B&W design quality observation. Any downside

Audioquest4life, This has happened to me too with my 802D;
"In fact, many people who listen to my system comment how much it sounds like surround sound with equally impressive wide separation."

I used to have a pair of B&W 805 Sig for the rear surrounds. Well I turned them off and while playing a movie or music I would ask people how well can they hear the rear speakers? Then I would ask them to check them by putting their ear up to it. When they found out they were off the whole time it just blow their mind. They could not get over how IMMERSED AND 3D THE SOUND-STAGE WAS!DO YOU HEAR THAT BO!

I was at a dealer before I bought my 802D. They had a pair of 804 that I was demoing. I could not get over the 3D sound stage it was producing. I got up and walked around them and the room trying to see if they were using something else to make this happen.

So I say to Bo, OPINION IT IS NOT, BULLSHIT IT IS. Saying the moon is made out of green cheese is not an opinion, it is BULLSHIT. Saying the the sun revolves around the earth is not an opinion, it is BULLSHIT. Saying it is the crossovers is not an opinion, it is BULLSHIT. YOU have NO STUDY or PROOF of it.

And PLEASE do NOT site 'I heard them at audio shows" as PROOF. I have heard some of the best sounding equipment in the world sound HORRIBLE at shows and dealers.

Now do not misunderstand me. Some speakers do a better job of it then others. But NOT to the extent that Bo says of B&W, at least of the last several generations, maybe more.

You tout yourself as an authority and that is way I can not let you go unanswered. And because your opinion is not an opinion it is BULLSHIT.

Speaking of bullshit, Bo likes to poo-poo certain brands of speakers, and in this case B&W, which he relishes in bashing. While touting his favorites and stuff he sells like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I mean Monitor Audio? Really? They're Chinese made, and to me are just ok but no big deal. I would say B&W are better, imo. As I said before, he did the same to JBL citing that the crossovers were poor, and then later admitted he did not ever hear JBL's high end Synthesis line! lol.

Bottom line, take this guy with a grain of salt. He's really not worth our time, attention, or anything else really. However, reading his crap and the responses here make for some good comedy!

We compare loudspeakers all the time. We Compared the B&W as well often with others. B&W also has a factory for there speakers in China. Think before you speak. It is a lot cheaper for all these brands to have a factory over there. In our country many people in audio know the differences in stage. JBL makes different level in speakers. A JBL 250 ti cannot give a deep and wide stage. Read better, I said; I did not test the horn speakers of JBL. Every person I invite overhere to compare B&W with Monitor Audio in stage. Things are exactly as I wrote them. Go to a shop and use Pass Labs amps. Compare a B&W 800 and Monitor Audio Platinum loudspeaker in wide and in depth. We do this all the time.

Audio ia about facts. B&W makes there speakers in China. So Dave now they are crap? There are reasons why they make them over there. Respons and depth and wide is something you can easily compare. Question: Is there a test with a direct test of a B&W 800 speaker compared to a Magico, or Avalon or Monitor Audio? There is not. Why? Because they have not the gutts to test it like this. Many tests are done with only one pair. In higher price levels you seldom find tests where they compare speakers togheter. They will not take the risk. Brands often pay magazines a lot of money for advertising. I prefer direct comparison. This is what I do all the time. I just give a demo of speakers, amps, cables, conditioner, sources etc. These people have all the freedom to compare. It is my work to give them the best sound for there money.

More Bo'isms or since Bo loves music so much, a few more of Bo's greatest hits.

"I owned and sold them for many years. It is based on facts."

You posted this on 10/16 and I asked you for the facts to prove that B&W's cannot make a deep soundstage. I am still waiting.

"Audio ia about facts, B&W makes there speakers in China."

I got news for you Bo. The science of audio equipment design and engineering is based on facts. How it all comes together and what we eventually hear, is all subjective. But you seem to believe, and this is the scary part, that what you perceive while listening, is a fact. You perceive that B&W's cannot make a deep soundstage, so you proclaim your opinion as "FACT". I guess your the type who would proclaim that world is ending during a total eclipse of the sun too. It is merely your opinion Bo and nothing more.

So in conclusion, either your hearing is so absolute that you are truly the final word in audio and therefore something other than human. Or you have no clue as to the definitions of opinion vs. fact or the subjective vs. objective. I believe it is the latter and suggest you need to go back to school and spend a little less time in audio forums.