Tannoy Westminster SE vs. Sonus Faber Amati Futur

Sounds_real_audio --

I you think the 2" midrange driver can carry the day going from 1 kHz up to 20 kHz then have at em…..I prefer a larger but not to large midrange, between 6" and 7.5" to get the heft from instruments and especially male vocals.

A 2"(voice coil) compression driver, in this case (augmented by the 15" paper cone) and others, functions in conjunction with a horn/waveguide in which the effective area of air displacement is considerably larger than what the voice coil diameter would suggest - in effect close if not equal to the mouth area of the horn or waveguide; suddenly a 2" comp. driver is converted into an air impedance transformer, being much more potent than what a 6-8" cone driver can achieve with better speed, much higher sensitivity, lower distortion, and providing much better energy coherence in tandem with the larger and light-coned mid/bass unit

Moreover, as stated already, a single 1kHz crossover has huge benefits compared to a crossover point in the higher frequency range where the human ear is even more sensitive, not to dismiss avoiding the negative impact of crossing over a bass unit in the 200-400Hz and the negative effect this can have on the lower mids/upper bass and how it further affects the coherence here.

My own speakers only sport a 1" compression driver placed in front of a 12" OSWG waveguide crossed at 1.3-1.4kHz to 12" mid/bass unit, and I can tell you the heft, physicality and clarity of Frank Sinatra's voice on Frank Sinatra Sings for Only the Lonely makes most every other conventionally driven speaker I've heard pale in comparison.

I've never heard the Westminster's, but would love to.

Day and night two different speakers.

Most folks don't even realize that these Tannoy mids really are horns, and that the woofer acts as a continuation of the horn for the central compression driver.

On the Westminster, the enclosure itself then takes over as an extension of the horn formed by the woofer.

The woofer also is backloaded by a folded horn in the enclosure. This all brings the efficiency up to 99db per watt.

Maybe Kiddman doesn't understand. Using that same logic, "small drivers that play loud" line array speakers would not need woofers to support the bass. You just put 10 4 inch drivers, line um up and turn up the bass. Right?

I have listend to the Tannoy's at some length and know what they sound like. The midrange is still coming out of a 2" driver…..

"Studios need to be able to play LOUD" ?? there are a lot of studio monitors out there. How come??

Look this isn't about " buttering my bread" I don't carry Sonus Faber, so no butter here. What's on your bread MAN?

Sound Real, your logic is faulty here. You clearly don't understand the nature of the transformer (the horn) that takes the load off that 2" driver, compared to a "bare driver", to the tune of an order of magnitude.

It's useless to argue with someone (you) who obviously has no technical understanding of the subject, and who not many years ago was asking Audiogoners what to carry! Seems to me the general consensus in that thread was that you should go learn something, and that still applies. Don't just spout off before learning the subject matter. Rather, do the mature thing and go learn about the compression driver and horn loading, from a technical standpoint, then go test several of the best models, involving several brands. Do some measurements to correlate to your listening experiences. Then come back and talk, you'll at that point be able to bring something to the table. A couple decades more experience and studying and you will then REALLY bring something to the table.

Unlike you, no commercial affiliations here. I don't do retail, I'm not in the speaker business, I own both cones and horns.

Remember one of the first rules of credibility: know what you are talking about before you throw dogmatic statements around.