I suppose that owning a krell gives me very good bass with the vincent, the vincent bested Ayon, cary,another krell cd player in the same price range, I am perplexed with your findings, have you done the tunning with a small phone book on top of the vincent?, move the book around, I got the best bass I have ever heard from this player at this cost point for digital, you may need to let the player have settle time running direct to amp, all changes I have ever done to a system needed settle time to perform it's best, I give everything I do alot of time to conclude my impressions, that way, there is no excuse for what I hear, another thought here is maybe we are going thru system dependency mrtennis, do you believe so, I do at this point, I look forward to what you have to say about the luxman player, I think it's cool that you are doing these comparisons, you are being an asset to us all!, Thankyou.