Turn table speed variation question


I've always found that tracks containing sustained piano notes (chords mainly) seem to highlight the smallest variation in platter speed.

However, I do not notice the same speed variations with sustained notes played on any other instruments.

Works well when auditioning turntables, but a PITA when you hit those older, less than stellar recordings, where the tape machine cause the issue.

Wondered if anyone else had the same experience with a different instrument, or is this specific to the piano.

Thanks
williewonka
Lew's right.
Any stringed instrument is particularly sensitive to minute speed deviations.
When I listen to acoustic guitar on my Victor TT-101 DD turntable with unequalled speed accuracy......an off-centre record hole will be mercilessly exposed. :-(
Piano is indeed the toughest, and the greatest source of frustration for me
when listening to vinyl which I consider the superior medium in every other
respect. First of all, you may be particularly sensitive to this type of
distortion; not all listeners are. While the turntable is often a major
contributor to the problem, don't assume that the problem is ALWAYS your
turntable; and you should understand a few things:

Piano (and some mallet instruments) is the only instrument on which
vibrato (deliberate pitch variation used by the player for tone color and
expressiveness) is not possible. A struck piano note sounds with absolute
pitch stability; assuming good tuning of the instrument, of course. In the
case of a badly tuned piano the perceived pitch variation is not vibrato, but
instead, audible "beats" in the pitch caused by incorrect tuning
of the multiple strings designated for each note on the instrument. Every
other pitched instrument is generally played with at least some expressive
vibrato, and even when the musician plays it with a "straight"
tone (no vibrato) there is some pitch variation due to the nature of the
physical process involved in playing it. This very slight pitch variation is not
perceived as such, but simply as a contributor to the instrument's unique
sound, and allows for a bit of latitude when judging pitch compared to the
rock-solid stability of piano notes.

As John Gordon points out, even when a piano is "correctly"
tuned, there are artifacts of the tuning process that can cause perceived
pitch variation. Each string of a piano's note will have a different decay
rate. There is a phenomenon that comes into play that is
unique to the piano's decay characteristics: a piano note has two decay
slopes; there is a relatively fast initial decay and then a point at which the
note begins to decay at a considerably slower rate. Additionally, lower
frequencies have much longer decay rates than do higher frequencies on
the piano. If one considers the fact that lower notes on the piano audibly
"excite" higher notes due acoustic interaction and connection to
the same soundboard as a function of harmonic relationships, it is easy to
see how anything less than perfect tuning would cause perceived pitch
instability. Even with ideal tuning there can be some subtle perceived
pitch variation.

Having said all that, other things to consider when trying to judge your
turntable's contribution to the perception of pitch instability are, first and
foremost, the very real possibility that if the music was recorded with
analog tape what you are hearing is partly due to the recorded pitch
instability of the tape recorder itself. But, the bottom line for me has been
that, sadly, only DD turntables offer the kind of pitch stability that I would
consider above criticism. But I say "sadly" because they have
different issues which are the subject of a different discussion.

Dougdeacon, I am intrigued by your comment about the oboe.
Frogman et al. You've made some great points. In the last instance, the most famous case of pitch instability caused by the master tape is Kind of Blue. For decades I listened to the wobbly and flat piano tones on KOB, and it was actually part of the mystique of the LP. I once listened to one side (Blue and Green) over and over again from late evening until dawn. The music exactly fit my mood. (Well, I was in college, and there was a girl who dumped me.) Then they finally told us that the tape speed was off!!! Flat because of that; wobbly because of belt-drive pitch instability. I really can't get used to the "corrected" versions played on my "issue"-less direct- and idler-drive turntables. (Joking with Frogman.)
Speaking generally, authentic/original instrument recordings are acid tests for TT pitch stability.

Many orchestral instruments were redesigned in the 19th C. to produce a more forceful, projective tone. This was done to make them audible in the larger concert halls being built to accommodate an expanding middle class audience. To my ears, these more modern instruments place more energy behind the fundamental, at the relative expense of harmonics. (Lew and I discussed this before in another context.)

The older version of such instruments had a stronger harmonic envelope relative to the fundamental. This harmonic envelope is easily distorted into an inharmonious squawk by TT speed instabilities, even if the instabilities occur over very short time frames. Speed variations that occur between strobe measurements can be audibly destructive, yet not detectable by commonly used TT speed measuring instruments.

Play a selection of Hogwood, Harnoncourt and the like. If the TT speed isn't rock solid over all time spans, you'll hear it.
Dougdeacon, you are correct in your description of the harmonic
characteristics of period vs modern instruments. The opposite is believed
to be true by some (including some musicians) because modern
instruments' apparent brilliance is sometimes assumed to be the result of
increased harmonics (relative to the fundamental), when what is often the
case is the absence (or decrease) of specific harmonics due to
manipulation in design giving the sound a less complete harmonic
structure. This less complete harmonic structure can highlight upper
partials and give the modern instrument an edgy or "brilliant"
sound. The denser, sweeter sound of many period instruments is the result
of a more complete harmonic content.

I am not so sure about your contention that this more complete harmonic
structure would make the sound of period instruments more susceptible to
a tt's speed inaccuracies as all frequencies would suffer to the same
degree. However, you are quite correct about original instrument
recordings being an "acid test" for speed stability. But, IMO, the
main reason for this is what I pointed out in my previous post; the presence
or absence of vibrato. Music performed on period instruments normally is
played with very little or no vibrato. When this music was composed,
performance practice dictated very very sparse use of vibrato; only as an
occasional color as opposed to the constant use of vibrato that is common
today. The reason for this is that, for instance, a modern violin played with
no vibrato will sound louder than an original one, but dry and lifeless
because of (as you pointed
out) the diminished overtone content.