Turn table speed variation question

Halcro, thanks for posting that new video. Love the music and the results are
most impressive.

I agree with Dover that once a certain level of speed accuracy is achieved, other
issues become much more relevant. Speed CONSISTENCY, or what happens
between TimeLine flashes, is one, as are the others mentioned above.

I've just added a video of my old DD Denon DP-45F on my WBF thread database
and results are poor. I'll shortly add a video of my friend's Technics SP10 MK2a.
The Denon is not a particularly good turntable, but it was fun to bring it out of
storage and have a listen. It spun lots of Led Zep back in my college days.

Just added the video of the Technics SP10 MK2a. The results are as impressive as with Halcro's Victor. Here is a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haqhT6khqZY&feature=em-upload_owner#action=share

Thanks Peterayer....and thanks also for the Video of the SP10Mk2A.
It is indeed a fine result with the Timeline.
As steady as the TT-101.....
I couldn't connect with your Link to the Denon?
Any chance of posting it here?

Frogman, I'm not familiar, in a practical way, with the note bending potential of straight barreled woodwinds. I get your point about changing the sound of a clarinet and I assume, since you brought it up, that it could present a problem within a section using both traditional and corrected instruments. As to "fooling mother nature" I'm skeptical. Correcting the interval of one note does not change the basic sound of the instrument. This is an instrument that plays one note at a time and it's the job of the musician to play it in tune. Seems to me some clarinets are cars and you're telling those players using them, to get a horse.

On the other hand, perhaps a note bent by the musician has a slightly different and more desirable flavor than one produced on a corrected instrument? Maybe so.

I always thought perfect pitch was something one had to be born with, to possess, and ear training was limited to relative pitch. Turns out, perfect pitch can be learned. Check this out:
www.richardbosworth.org/perfect-pitch-ear-training-supercourse-review.htm

**The human ear can tell when the pitch is leaning one way or the other before our measuring equipment can.**

It's not only pitch it's also location. Phase has a lot to do with location and speed obviously effects phase. Turntable speed effects everything. There's no way around it. Wow and flutter results in harmonic distortion. Some of us are pretty good hearing relative pitch. That's how we tell if the piano is wavering or the chord is changing pitch or someone is out of tune.

Absolute speed error is something most of us can get used to and eventually becomes our reference standard. I had a pre-Valhalla LP-12. It ran something like 1% fast. It didn't take long for everything else to sound lifeless in comparison. I became aware of this and sold it. I got a Goldmund DD and eventually got used to "correct" speed. Just as KOB record was not objectionable in relative terms, the old LP12 (or some other popular belt drivers) succeed on their colorations.

Enough of this for now. Everybody have a happy new year.
Regards,

I plan to start a TimeLine database thread on Audiogon. Look in the Analog forum.