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Ack,

I'm not sure that I understand your comments?
In all my videos with both Victor TT-101, Victor TT-81 and Raven AC-2......the Timeline and KAB Strobe are shown with tonearms lowered and raised.
In fact they are the only videos in this Databank which show this situation.

As Lewm has stated.....the weight of the Timeline clamp or the record clamp are irrelevant as weight is not a factor in stylus drag and certainly weight over the platter bearing plays no part.
Stylus drag is caused solely by the friction of the stylus hitting the walls of the record groove with enough force (and on enough occasions) to slow down the rotational speed of the platter. This will occur more noticeably with heavily modulated passages where the vinyl walls can be almost perpendicular to the path of travel of the stylus.

With both Victor DD turntables....it is apparent that even with 3 tonearms lowered or raised in any combination......no change to platter speed is visible with the Timeline.
With the Raven under the Timeline....it can be seen that the platter runs slightly slow with the stylus engaged but runs perfectly to speed when the tonearm is raised. However with the KAB Strobe in place......it appears that the Raven runs perfectly to speed with or without the tonearm engaged.
Based solely on the visual results of the KAB.....one could possibly claim that 'stylus drag' is a myth?
The Timeline however proves that it is a reality.

Now the AMOUNT of stylus drag with the Raven is very small........and because it appears to be relatively consistent....it is inaudible.
So it bothers me none that the KAB Strobe is 'good enough' for all practical purposes and if Lewm and others are happy to rely upon it.....who am I to argue?
My only disagreement comes with the claims that it is as accurate as the Timeline?

Now if I have misunderstood the points you have raised.....perhaps you could put them another way?

The big question is, what's a "turnable"?
Here we've all been talking about turntables, and Halcro wanted to discuss turnables all along.

Some few of you might want to know that after sending off my own TT101 for its third fix, the repair person (NOT Bill Thalmann; I could not bear to tell Bill that his fixes don't work at my house even though the TT101 works flawlessly in his shop) reports to me that in HIS shop, my TT101 also worked flawlessly, for weeks on end. He cannot make it malfunction, so he cannot fix it. He is sending it back to me. Gremlins afoot, no doubt. I am keeping my fingers crossed that it will decide to work for me when I do receive it.

Yeah, I thought of that. This last guy made about $150 and can freely admit he's done nothing. Yet I still have to pay for his time. What a country!

However, in Bill's case, not only is he the salt of the earth in terms of honesty, but I did see my TT101 work in his shop. We played with it for about 15 minutes, turning it off and on, changing speeds, etc, and observed no issues.

Interestingly, I asked this last guy (whom I have never met in person) about lubricating the bearing. He virtually laughed at me, said they were made to last forever. He wouldn't even think of taking the bearing assembly apart. When I pointed out that Victor probably did not contemplate that anyone would be using the TT more than 30 years after its build date and so could not have envisioned that much life span for the bearing, I was dismissed. Just as well. I'd rather do it myself, or not.

Lew,
Perhaps you should just take some records and listen at the Tech's place?
But I also think the TT-101 is just devious?
My Tech has had mine running perfectly to correct speeds for over three days without any problems?
He will now just replace all the caps and see how it goes?.....but I suspect that once back installed in my system....the gremlins which have not revealed themselves to others.....might re-appear?