Cables more hype than value?


What are the opinions out there?
tobb
Haha, "now hear this" is my fav! Good one! Thanks for the laugh, the resident female thought it funny as well... Did you check out the blog "the Audiophile's Wife"?
In response to the OP's question, the more I do this the less I believe in hype and the more comfortable I am with my own opinions of what makes a difference and what doesn't, at least to me. While I do hear differences between different cables, I hear far, far greater differences between different equipment and speakers. For example, I had some very good amps through here recently but regardless of what cables I used them with, they were never going to sound as good to me as my current amps. The cables were far and away secondary to the inherent sound of the amps.

At the end of the day, cables are made from wire, dielectric and geometry (and not a small amount of psychological voodo). The differences I hear seem more associated with one of those three factors than with anything else. Of course, there are a lot of options such as solid vs. stranded, wire gauge, a single wire vs. multiple wires, silver vs. copper vs. other conductor materials, dielectric materials, minimal dielectric vs. well-damped, a wide range of connector options, and the sometimes overlooked factor of cable length.

Isn't it interesting that cable manufacturers stay away from the question of length? Cables do not add to the quality of sound your equipment reproduces from your media, they can only degrade. Ever notice how many top equipment designers pride themselves on laying out internals to result in "short signal paths?" Then how can long cable runs possibly be a good thing for anyone but those selling cables? I have never heard adequate explanations from those manufacturers who say power cords should be a minimum of 2M in length, or speaker cables should be 8 feet long. The only thing I have heard that makes sense to me is to use cables that are long enough so they don't have to be bent or angled too sharply to make the connections. In other words, keep them as short as possible, but no shorter.

Over the years, I have used top cables by Cardas, Purist, Acoustic Zen, Harmonic Technology, Audioquest, and others. They all sound different but, to me, none have ever made a fundamental change in the sound of the equipment they were connected to. I have found that I like the sound of cables made from high quality solid core copper wire with a minimal, natural dielectric and so my ICs and SCs are made by me using those materials, conventionally accepted geometries, and high quality connectors. I have some other manufactured cables around here that I occasionally use for comparison but I keep gravitating back to the sound of my own cables. I have made my power cords from premanufactured bulk cable that uses PCOCC wire, and they also have highly regarded terminations by Furutech or Oyaide. I simply have not found anything that I like better over the long run. Also, my cables are short. The longest cables in my system are barely over 1M in length, except for my one holdover manufactured cable, a 2M power cord by Isoclean that retails for over $1K. It sounds good but not any better than other PCs I have made. I only keep it because its not worth the effort of selling it on the used market just to replace it with something similar that I can make with bulk cable. That Isoclean power cable runs from a dedicated outlet to an Isoclean power filter that my front end gear is connected to. My amps are connected to individual dedicated 20A lines. I have found better noise reduction using dedicated lines than from any cables or power conditioners I have used.

These discussions are fun to read because everyone has to travel their own path but the thing I find most interesting is the amount of money spent on cables to fulfill the obsession of creating a "perfect sound." Although not discounting the amount of engineering that goes into designing cables, I find the ratio of retail price to materials and manufacturing costs to be incredible. The cornerstone of a successful cable manufacturing company seems to be a good marketing department. Fortunately for the manufacturers, there have been no shortage of customers willing to pay large amounts of money on cables so their systems can reach "the next plateau." I wonder how many veils can be lifted, or how many plateaus can be reached, by spending money on cables instead of investing in better electronics and/or speakers?

I will close by saying there are certainly systems much more resolved and better sounding than mine, and I respect the opinions of those who say expensive cables make a profound difference in the sound of their systems. My comments simply reflect my own opinions and viewpoints after doing this audio thing for awhile now. We all hear what we hear, we all have our own individual system goals, and we all enjoy tinkering with our systems or we wouldn't be here - happy listening.
Mitch2, have you tried any of Tara Labs higher end offerings? I had no idea what a cable could do for a good system until I used Tara Labs Air 1 speaker and interconnect cable. I thought Analysis Plus Solo Crystal Oval was as good as I could do on my budget. Some older and more experienced gentlemen here on the forum turned me on to Tara Labs. I now have the overwhelming sense that this is a very serious audio system I am living with. Good luck with your system and happy listening to you as well!
@ mitch2, I enjoyed reading your post, very well written!, however, I am one of the gentlemen you are referring to!, I believe cables are, if not more important than eanything in a system!, Thats my many, many years experience!, Its just an opinion!, like yours!, my cables cost way more than my entire system cost!, and my system is an exspensive one to me!, I have about $65,000.00 retail price!, Of course I do not Have that kind of money into it!, LOL!,I try to save money!, cheers to you!