Sovtek 6550 - Can they really be THIS bad???


Hello.

Just picked up a new Jadis today, and I'm none too pleased with the sound. As I have had blissful sonic experiences with two of the models lower on the Totem Pole from this manufacturer, the only thing I can trace it to is the Sovtek 6550. Can they really be THIS bad???

I already switched out the JAN Philips 12AX7 and Golden Dragon 12AU7 for Mullard Blackburn and Ei respectively. The improvement has been subtle, but it still ain't working for me...

I have used ElectroHarmonix 6550 in the past, and while they didn't float my boat, I'm told that EH represents a signficant step up from the regular old Sovteks. JJ E34L and KT88 just have sounded really splendid to me. So, now I'm looking at picking up 8 new output tubes if I don't wish to live with such uninspired sound.
trelja
Joe (Trelja),
My CAT JL-2 uses 16 6550s and sounds great. I don't know which 6550s are in it b/c its away right now. When it comes back, you're welcome to come over and have a listen.
Bob
Bob, it's great hearing from you! I'd really love to hear your CAT once it returns home. Knowing you, I'm sure it sounds lovely in your system.

I spent a good amount of time listening last night, and interestingly enough, the faults Albert attributed to this tube are EXACTLY what I heard. The dynamics are weak, and the sound just seems to lack the get up and go I demand. The high frequency distortion was also there in spades. Most curious was that female vocals took on a peculiar "lip smacking" effect where there should have been breathiness. Imaging was not terrible, but not up to the standard set by the JOR.

I did try the quad of JJ KT88 in one channel, and that seemed to help out a fair amount, but I was still getting the Sovtek 6550 effect masking the overall sound, so I am not 100% certain if a retube will cure things.

I went back and forth with the DA30 a couple of times, and it had a snappier, more lively, and easier to listen presentation. It's really a superlative amplifier, apart from ultimate power and not being the last word in imaging. My DA30 is one of the first integrateds Jadis ever built. I have been told by two people that later iterations modified the circuitry to enhance thermal stability of the amps, which has NEVER been in an issue with mine, at the expense of sonics. May very well be true in my experience. What it lacks in cosmetics, it sure makes up in sound.

The one combination I should have tried in retrospect was the Sovtek 6550 in the DA30. That would perhaps answer a lot of questions.

Still, this is the amp for the second system, and I'm probably putting way too much effort into the whole thing...
Joe, I might forget about this. Send me an email message in a week or two. If the amp isn't back I should at least have an ETA. Bob
Bob, will you be coming over next Saturday??? Hopefully, the answer is yes.

I did try the Sovtek 6550s in the DA30 last night, and I must say that while the amp runs out of steam before its big brother, though still within the limits of being acceptable to all but the really power thirsty, it's simply a better component sonically. Even with these tubes, while not as glorious as the JJ KT88, the sound was commendable. Despite its homely looks, whatever purity was designed into it originally, later iterations seem to have lost to some degree. Not that the DA60 is not a very good amp, it is, just that the older amp is INCREDIBLY special. The sweetness, naturalness, and even excitement is wonderful. I guess, sometimes, the old stuff really is that good.
Hi Trelja. Thanks for mentioning the possibility of the JOR being "loose" - I took this to mean that the little bolts on the casing could be loose, and sure enough tightening them virtually eradicated the hum - presumably the service guy who biased the new tubes left them a bit undone and so the casing amplified whatever resonance the transformer was creating.
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Hope your new amp works out. Regards, Rob.