differences between tube and solid state designs


this topic may have been beaten to death.

however, my experience attending ces shows has demonstrated to my eras that the differences between push pull tube and solid state amplifiers sound very similar.

i notice today's tube amps, e.g., contad johnson, audio research, wolcott audio, etc., do not exhibit many of the classic colorations associated with tube designs and sound a lot like solid state, especially with respect to frequency response, i.e., spectral balance.

there may be still be slight audible differences between the 2 formats.

has anyone perceived a narrowing of sonic differences between the two designs and if so if differences are slight, why buy a tube amp.

note, i have deliberately excluded class a and single ended amps, at low wattage, from this discussion. some of them have more of a vintage or classic tube sound, especially relative to bass and treble response.
mrtennis
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Do your vocal cords sit in a big square wood box? Are they 6 feet high and made out of eletrified sheets of polymer? Do your speakers posses a full string section? Does a french horn run on magnets? No? How exactly, is it tainted?
Well first of all, there are different types of solid state amps, and different types of tube amps.

Areas where different topologies produce different results mostly have to do with their distortion characteristics.

For instance, tube amps soft-clip, which is much less objectionable to the ear that the hard clipping typical of solid state. I think this is the science behind the oft-quote observation that one tube watt = two solid state watts.

Class A/B amplifiers distort in the crossover region (the amp's crossover, not the speaker's), and that's a distortion that (with most A/B amps) happens at very low power levels so it happens all the time but is most noticeable at low listening levels. Class A and Class D amplifiers do not have this distortion. [I suspect that some of the low-level articulation advantages attributed to high efficiency speakers is due to their typically being driven by Class A amplifiers which have no crossover distortion].

Now as an aside, note that there is often a negative correlation between low THD numbers and subjectively "clean" sound. In other words, we tend to prefer amps with higher rated THD! The reason is, usually those low THD numbers are arrived at through the use of negative feedback, which in effect trades off high percentages of low-order harmonic distortion for low percentages of high-order harmonic distortion. The ear finds the latter more objectionable than the former. Studies have shown 30% second harmonic distortion to be inaudible with music program material.

One disadvantage a push-pull tube amp has is its output transformer. As the signal changes polarity the field in the output transformer is inverted, and it takes some energy to do this. That energy comes from the output signal. I don't know how audibly significant this is. Single-ended and OTL tube amps do not suffer from this effect, known as hysteresis.

Zero negative feedback Class A amplifiers tend to sound the best because they have the most psychoacoustics-friendly distortion characteristics, assuming they are powerful enough to not be driven into clipping. Such amplifers can be tube or solid state. The day may come when high quality Class D amplifiers are counted in the same category, as they are inherently free from crossover distortion.

All that being said, the audible differences between amplifiers are at least an order of magnitude less than the audible differences between loudspeakers.

Duke
And that's why I don't read any audio magazines anymore.

"I think your confusing reality and realism"

The second order harmonics question was answered by the Pass Alephs and, to some degree, Plinius SA-series.
i think the differences between vintage tube amps and especially the cj mv 125 and current tube amps , excluding set amps, is greater than the difference between current tube amps and solid state amps.

i think what has happened over the last 25 years is the discontuance of an identifiable tueb sound. yes you may call it coloration. in its place, is a presentation closer to accuracy--perhaps still some audible coloration.

i have heard some current cj, audio research, wolcott, granite audio, consonance etc., current tube amps and walked away thinking... "it almost sounds like solid state. why ? "

isn't there some advantage for having designs which sound significantly different from each other so that the consumer has a real choice. the overall variation in sound today within tube designs, within ss designs and between tube and ss designs, again, excluding triode and low powered set amps
is not as great as it was 20 years ago.