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Choosing proper gain for preamp. Am I screwed?

I am in the process of selecting a new preamp. Some candidates offer customized gain (output), all offer only three inputs (good forme: CD, DVD, cassette deck). I find it amazing how diverse my CDs are in their playback levels. For example, for normal listening levels some require my preamp volume be 15, and some 38!? I can understand some discrepency, but not that much. If I could turn my pramp up to 250 this would not be bothersome. But much past 42 seems to kind of approach maximum voltage territory to my power amp. My CDP puts out 2.3v RMS. My DVD player puts out 2.0v, yet I always have to crank the volume way up on my preamp to hear dialogue adequately (again, upwards of 38). (And my tape deck 490mv.)

What I do not want to do is have a preamp built for me which limits the gain so that I'll not be able to reach adequate levels for DVDs and my wimpy CDs. But I think I'd rather not have the standard 20dB of gain either. My power amp's sensitivity is just over 2v. Way more (10 times?) than my power amp can ever use.

I guess my first question is, what is likely the major cause of the playback level discrepencies?

And,not knowing what the gain is on my preamp (because it is an integrated and they don't specify), am I destined to specify 20dB gain on my new preamp outputs just to be safe? (Seems to me, 10 times the amount of gain necessary to drive my amp to full power would make for crummy low-level listening and also add a bunch of unecessary noise.)

Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.
rockadanny
rockadanny OP
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I may not have been clear in my above post. I guess what I'm asking is: has anyone else experienced such diverse output levels on the basis of different CDs or DVDs? Perhaps this is just a common occurrence people just live with? Perhaps there is something inherently askew with my integrated being used as just a preamp? I didn't pay much attention when I used just the integrated to what volume I was remote dialing from my couch, since I cannot see the numbers anyway.
unsound
7,341 posts
 
You may be able to get a pre that has different gain settings for different source inputs.
plato
1,543 posts
 
Well, preamps can be built with widely varying amounts of gain, generally from unity gain to over 20dB of gain. And volume controls can have different tapers. Some give you most of their volume in the first half of their rotation and others are more uniform in their volume increments.

For example, when I have my preamp in its high-gain mode if I turn the volume knob a quarter of an inch I'll get a large increase in volume. If I switch it to its unity-gain mode, I have to turn the knob more like an inch or so to get the same apparent volume increase. And yes, different CDs are recorded at different levels, but how far you actually need to increase the volume will vary from preamp to preamp.

Maybe a good solution to your problem would be to get a preamp that offers both and active gain stage and a unity-gain stage. That would allow you to adjust for a very wide range of recording levels as well as the differing output levels of your components.

The Adcom GFP-750 has that feature and I believe one of the Rogue Audio tube preamps (the 99, I think) has adjustable front-panel gain settings. Also, I believe the PS Audio Gain Cell preamp has independently adjustable gain settings for each input.
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