for best lp sound, Kondo or Shindo?

Second the Shindo as well. Truly breathtaking at any of the price points/levels of pre. The Dart is supposed to be good as well, but haven't heard it yet.

I heard the Dartzeel and thought it was very mediocre despite the reviews and promotion. I just don't get why someone would want transistors when tubes sound so much better.

Tubegarden: Where did you hear the darTZeel that left you with that impression?

Hello

I have heard the Shindo pre's and would recommend them if you like what they sound like. I would recommend you go and listen for yourself. The products are built well and well supported if bought from a dealer of Shindo, which there are more than enough across the US to demo.

These forums are great to exchange opinions but that is all they are, YOU need to listen for yourself.

BTW the Shindo table is fantastic.

Pcosta

You're implying that the Shindo preamps have a sound. Care to elaborate?