Dumb Quest : Amp Clips Or Speakers Blow Up First?


I was reading in another thread somewhere here on Bryston amps that go into clipping when driven hard. How do we know if the speakers can take it when we crank up the volume to earth-shattering levels? In most cases, distortion will kill the drivers of the speakers when listening to insane levels but how do we know if the amp will clip first, or the speakers will blow up first? Do we need any measuring tools or device to measure on how loud can the system go before something burns?

And what does clipping mean? I am guessing the amp will shut down itself. Will the amp blow up into flames of fire? What is normally replaced inside the amp when it has clipped? My amp never clips before so maybe I'm not cranking up the volume loud enough. Most of the time my ears fail first before my equipment do, so it is unlikely I will experience any amps clipping or worse, the speakers blowing up. That's a real nightmare if my speakers would blow up.
ryder
'Clipping' describes the shortening...lowering...chopping off of the complex musical wave. This happens because some stage of the amplifier, usually the output stage, simply has no more Voltage available from the powersupply to follow the original shape being delivered to it by the prior stage. When they clip, SS amps often generate ugly-sounding high-frequency garbage that's far in excess of what's in the normal, musical waveform, and this high-frequency garbage is what kills tweeters. Tubed amps clip more 'gracelully', that is, they generate lots less garbage and sound not nearly as bad, but they, too, definitely clip the music when overdriven.

Rarely will anything bad happen to an amp upon clipping, altho the DC-rail-Voltage fuses may blow. If driven hard for medium or long periods, an amp will get very hot, and some may shut themselves off until they cool.

It's good that your ears give up before your equipment, but listeneing at such high levels really does damge, PERMANENTLY, your hearing, even if done for short periods of time. If you're tempted to listen at such high levels, I suggest you install inline fast-blow fuses that will blow before the speakers do. Only you can determine, by trying different values, the right value for your speakers. I suggest RadioShack for the fuseholders and fuses; I guess I'd start at, say, 3 amps and see what happens. BTW, adding a fuse will decrease sound quality very slightly, but it won't sound NEARLY as bad as a blown speaker driver!

The best advice anyone could give you is NOT to listen at such high levels, but it reads as if you do it often, so be smart and fuse your speakers.
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Speakers blow first....but a blown speaker may in turn then damage an amplifier!

Clipping is when the amp cannot follow the proper waveform (voltage) due to exceedingly high current demands and the output will flat top. It is unlikley to damage your amplifier (at least initially) but can easily damage a speaker...usually the smallest driver, the tweeter, blows first as the coils get too hot with the distorted squared off signal.

Clippiing results in all kinds of non linear distortion that is audible but can easily be confused with or perceived as "loudness" (call this "perceptive loudness"). Your observation that "ears fail first before my equipment does" may be a sign that the music is clipping and has dramatically increased your "perceptive loudness" (since your B&W and PMC speakers are both near field monitors that are unlikley to be able to play very loud).

The "perceptive loudness" effect is what is often used on modern pop CD's, whereby the waveforms are deliberately clipped in the recording/mastering process in order to create a "loud" sounding CD; the distortion makes the "perceptive loudness" much higher (even at low actual loudness levels).

The "perceptive loudness" effect is what makes most consumers feel that there Hi-Fi system plays extremely loud when in reality it does not (it just begins distorting at some point and thereafter is perceived as extremely loud).

A really good recording (uncompressed) on an excellent system (large dynamic range without clipping = large headroom) can be played extremely loud and still sound pleasant to the ears.....you may have experienced this at a concert where live music levels are thrilling and exhilarating and you can hear such incredible detail. (even an unamplified piano has a huge dynamic range, well exceeding that of most consumer audio)

Bob Katz at digital domain has an honor roll of CD's that are not compressed and hence have a very low "perceptive loudness" and can therefore be played at extremely loud actual SPL's without sounding "perceptively loud".

"Actual Loudness" and "Perceived Loudness" and their relation to distortion/clipping is quite misunderstood even by most audiophiles.
Great post, Shadorne. This issue is one reason why its hard to duplicate actual live music levels at home; it just dounds like crap and your ears beg for mercy unless as you put it, you have a rare uncompressed recording and a system that can reproduce those dynamic peaks.
Shadorne, a slight correction regarding your statement
The "perceptive loudness" effect is what is often used on modern pop CD's, whereby the waveforms are deliberately clipped in the recording/mastering process in order to create a "loud" sounding CD
In fact, I believe that these CD's are compressed, so that the dynamic range may be as little as 6 dB's, so that it sounds "louder"...this is a common trick for TV commercials. Limiters would be used to actually "clip" a very dynamic waveform, but are used more for radio broadcasting than recording.