Can tube amps give true high end bass?


I got the giant Silverline Grande La Folia speakers. They are really good and true high end in my opinion. They are efficient ca 93Db but got for bass 4 x 9,5ยด dynaudio woofers in each cabinet. I have tried 2 tube amps with them: Antique Sound Labs monos 2x60w and a protype VERY good 2x40W with El34 tubes (more about that amp in a later tread). And I have tried 2 transistor amps: An Ayre V1xe and Krell 450mcx monos. All givin very good sound in the mids and heigths BUT very different in bass. In my opinion the best bass was from the tube amps. Powerful deep bass!!

My dealer clames that such big speakers need a lot of power to control the 8 woofers: You must have several 100W i.e. tranistor or BIG tube amps like big VTL. With the "small" tube amps, that you have tried, the woofers get out of control and "pumping" air in an incorrect way. This movement in the woofers gives sound on it own that you only THINK is good bass!

Beeing an audiophile for 30 years I think I can determine when I hear good bass. But I am puzzled! -How can a 40W tube amp give better bass that Krell 450 monos?
128x128ulf
"Best of the both worlds"...

Seems really hard,if not impossible to get.I don't know if i will achieve it,but it is my aim in my forthcoming "ultimate" system.It aimes to be the best system i have seen or heard of this far.

It will also be based on SILVERLINE speakers.Only different model.SINFONIA.
I believe that you know this model because you also own a similar high-end product from the same company.
I don't know about Grande La folia,but Sinfonia is tri-wired.This means i can connect 3 types of amps.
One connection is only for the rear-firing 12" woofer,one for tweeter and 2" midrange,and one for 7" mid and 12" front woofer.So i can play with different amps.

I chose to go with custom-made amps,made by Trlin Audio.I know the constructor personally,he lives in my city,and is very knowledgeable,especially on tube-related subjects.More than 15 years of experience in that field.He recommended 6 320B XLS SET monos,high-end,made with only the best possible parts.I chose to go with 4 of these monos - 2 per speaker.

But i plan to use transistor amplification on rear 12" woofer.I think that bi-polar transistor in AB class will give the best bass.Most precise and tight as you can get.Fastest recovery time after each peak.And i love it that way.Trlin Audio also makes those,but i will limit mine to 18 Watts exactly (same strength as 320B XLS monos).

This is the best i have come up with this far.I plan to close the bass reflex port of the front 12"woofer,to gain a bit more speed and accuracy,for it will be connected to 320B XLS monoblock.
Rear woofer will give the depth,which i personally enjoy very much.I guess this will be fine,if done properly.

I think this will be "the best of the both worlds".But only testing and testing and testing will give the true answer.I will post about the results of these tests,and also about the quality of Trlin Audio's Monos.Can't wait.But I have to wait for 3-5 months for all this to happen,as the apartment for my gear is being built.

Any thoughts or advices?Much welcomed.
So one guy wants to make a n offer on my JOR. I told him "don't you know what you are buying, , Its Jadis. Not your everyday average tube intergrated". Man Jadis 10+ yrs now, and so few folk know what jadis really is.
We need a Jadis topic.
Paul
>Not your everyday average tube intergrated<

Well in fact it is your everyday tube integrated or buyers would have jumped all over it.

Lower the price and somebody will buy it.
Ulf, there's no way a tube amp will produce better bass than a solid-state amp. It's just the laws of physics. Specially, not a 40 Watt tube amp! What you are probably describing as "better bass" has to do with the coloration and second harmonic distortion that your tube amp is generating. Besides, the higher output impedance of tube amps create the conditions for slightly undamped resonance that adds to the "joy" factor. The end result is a warm, rich bass around the 40-200 Hz region to which you have become accustomed by now. The problem is, this bass is a distorted version of the original as stored in your recordings. Even worst, you probably are missing the very lowest bass frequencies that only a solid-state amp can produce, and which contribute greatly to the realism of your bass playback.

Regards,