Can tube amps give true high end bass?


I got the giant Silverline Grande La Folia speakers. They are really good and true high end in my opinion. They are efficient ca 93Db but got for bass 4 x 9,5ยด dynaudio woofers in each cabinet. I have tried 2 tube amps with them: Antique Sound Labs monos 2x60w and a protype VERY good 2x40W with El34 tubes (more about that amp in a later tread). And I have tried 2 transistor amps: An Ayre V1xe and Krell 450mcx monos. All givin very good sound in the mids and heigths BUT very different in bass. In my opinion the best bass was from the tube amps. Powerful deep bass!!

My dealer clames that such big speakers need a lot of power to control the 8 woofers: You must have several 100W i.e. tranistor or BIG tube amps like big VTL. With the "small" tube amps, that you have tried, the woofers get out of control and "pumping" air in an incorrect way. This movement in the woofers gives sound on it own that you only THINK is good bass!

Beeing an audiophile for 30 years I think I can determine when I hear good bass. But I am puzzled! -How can a 40W tube amp give better bass that Krell 450 monos?
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+++Audiobb, This is an interesting speaker- it seems like it has a dual woofer system, but apparently the second woofer is on a different circuit.

So that would seem to make all the circuits 8 ohms. I would check with Silverline on this to be sure.+++

You are right on both things.I already checked with Silverline;every circuit is exactly the same - 8 ohm stable (+/-10% max)

I have checked your products;not until yesterday i figured out you are a manufacturer(i didn't notice your user name).OTL idea certainly seems interesting and theoretically right.But the problem is i have no posibillity to hear any of your amps.I am located in Croatia;you have no dealer here and no-one i know has any of your gear.But i would gladly match it up against Trlin Audio's top products.His amps do use OT,but i'm sure he can take the sound further than the sound i mentioned earlier.It would be a good and interesting duel of high-quality amps.
Thanks for your advice;I am aware i can run into difficulties,but i think i can overcome those.I aim at "the best of both worlds",which is always hard to achieve.

Your amps seem to be picking up the best of both designs,tubes and transistors.
I wish i could test some of your products in the future.
All the best wishes to you and your company.
Audiobob- FWIW, Ralph (Atmasphere) is well known among U.S. audiofools for impeccable integrity, outstanding customer service, and intellectual generosity. You may find an amplifier that has better synergy in your system, but its pretty unlikely that you will one that is a better value. The amp that replaced his in my system cost more than twice the price.
Swampwalker,i believe you.From my short experience,Ralph is very knowledgeable.
I spoke to Trlin about Atma-sphere,and he has told me good things about that company.So they are known in Croatia.
Trlin also told me that he has planned building an OTL prototype amp himself, but never got around to do it.He will use 6C33C tubes in his amp.Russian-made.
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I am running a homemade SET with about 1.8 watts per channel on 93 db horn speakers! Yes, VERY tight and articulate bass!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep in mind that alot of what most people hear in the bass department being reproduced by their systems was never recorded on the disc or album. This is sometimes due to the relationship between amplifier and speaker.

The speakers ends up producing a "Boom Boom" type sound that many have come to accept as "Monster Bass". Then they get to the concert and do not hear this live and wonder why!

Yes, tubes can do it with the right loudspeaker! Other than flying around the country to audition different systems - you can read articles from websites like http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/archives/equipment/amplifier.htm to get a feeling of which amplifiers do what best! It won't cover all amplifiers - but it will give you an idea as far as what has been reviewed; and, they do grade the products under review.

Triodes are best but have limited power. Pentodes are more powerful in the watts department but will not match the fine detail of a triode. Decisions...decisions!

Hope this helps

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