more reliable amp: tube or solid state class A


i got to reading this thread:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1144724173&openfrom&1&4#1

i require no convincing that class A sounds better than AB or D or whatever else, but the efficiency is terrible, with the efficiency losses being reflected as heat.

and heat, as we know, causes thermal breakdown. this is a matter of engineering: the hotter a component runs, the shorter the mean time between failure. simple stuff.

but here's the question: if we took 2 equally hot-running amps, one tube and one SS, over the long haul, what would be more reliable? the tube amp, or the SS one?

i'm thinking the tube amp, solely b/c the tube is the hottest part, and its failure is accomodated for in the design (you simply plug in another tube). a hot running SS amp will eventually burn out resistors / transistors, and joe audiophile will be forced to send that to the factory for replacement.

(i am going to do some HVAC work on my room, and if i can keep in cool in mid July, i will be moving to the winner of this argument)

thx
128x128rhyno
Amp reliability is determined by the level of conservative design, and this applies to tube and SS. The reason that SS class A amps tend to be more reliable than tube class A amps is that a SS amp will blow up immediately if it is not designed with adequate margin. With tubes, you can get away with marginal design for a few months before failure. Designers of SS amps HAVE to build in more safety margin. Class A tubes amps can be built to very high reliability levels, but they have to be designed very conservatively. I do not know of any class A tube amps in this category. For example, a 6L6 tube is rated at a plate dissipation of around 30-35 watts. They are typically run at this level. If I build a class A amp out of these tubes, I will run them at a dissipation of no more than 10-12 watts. They will run many years under these conditions. The amp manufacturer needs to use six of these tubes (per channel) to make a 30-35 watt amp reliable in a tetrode mode transformer or ZOTL coupled amplifier. More are required in an ultralinear or triode mode amplifier. Many more would be needed for a traditional OTL amp, assuming that these tubes were appropriate for that type of amplifier (they are not).

On the other hand, it is of questionable merit to demand a class A tube amp, as tubes behave much better than SS devices in a class AB application. SS devices have much more abrupt cutoff characteristics than tubes, and as a result, they inject high-order harmonics in the crossover region. Tubes have a very soft turn-off and as a result, they don't inject these harmonics to the same degree. The gain in going from class AB to class A in the SS amp is much greater than it is in the tube amp. An fact, the class A tube amp makes little sense, unless it is a very low power amp. The idea of making a hot amp in general does not make sense to me in unless it is strictly a winter amp and you can supplement the work that your furnace has to do. To use that amp when you need to apply air conditioning to cool it is stupid. How does the noise of the blower affect your room noise level and your attempt to achieve good sound? We all also need to think more responsibly when it comes to our energy use. We have limited resources and we may be doing damage to our climate with excessive energy use.
"i'm thinking the tube amp, solely b/c the tube is the hottest part, and its failure is accomodated for in the design (you simply plug in another tube). a hot running SS amp will eventually burn out resistors / transistors, and joe audiophile will be forced to send that to the factory for replacement."

You are correct. In addition, some solid-state amps use output transistors that go out of production, so if you lose a transistor, you're in trouble. Caps are no big deal for either SS or tube designs, as they are relatively cheap and easy to replace (you can easily get 20 to 30 years out of them on a very high quality tube amp, even designs biased in Class A). If reliability is your concern and you are looking down the road, buy a tube amp that uses the same output tubes used in guitar amps (KT-66's, EL-34's, 6550's), as the Marshalls and Fenders of the world sell half a million tube guitar amps every year and you'll always be able to find replacement tubes.

In any event, as you noted, a broken transistor amp has to be opened up. A tube amp just requires re-tubing and re-biasing, and once that is done, you've basically got a new amp.
We've been making class A amps for nearly thirty years. In fact, other than a few prototypes, that's been the only class that we have indulged in.

So I can tell you this, and it is not a matter of opinion but is simple fact. It does not matter whether it is tube or solid state, what *does* matter is how conservatively the amplifier is designed to survive operating class A day in and day out.

Tubes of course have a service life that is different from transistors and if set up properly, will be just as reliable in class A as any other class of operation. The same can be said of transistors as well. Its all in the design- nothing with the device.
I've owned two amps in the last 7 years. A Krell 200FPB and VTL 300 Deluxe Mono Blocks. Both were returned for repairs.