Tube amps and speaker ohms


In your opinion , do push pull amps work better with 8 ohms or 4 ohms. .I am under the impression the lower the ohms, the more power is demanded from the amp....Another question, are there low powered SET amps ,and high power SET amps?
I'm looking at a 40 watt 845 tube amp for my 8 ohm, 89 db speaker.. just cked the Thor has a 86 db W18 midwoofers(2 per cabinet) and a 88 db tweeter. Will an 845 amp rated 40 watts be able to drive the 86/88 db speaker? With authority, bass, mids, highs, in dynamic sound stage? Synergy? Or poor match?
bartokfan
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Paul
I googled impedance. Its a load issue, 4 ohm speakers create a heavier impedance/resistance level vs a speaker at 8 ohms. Now I'm not sure why some Seas Excel designs are 8 ohms: Thor and several Tyler designs all with lower db levels at 87, and other Tyler designs with Seas Excel are at 4 ohms but have a higher sensitivity, 92. Both use the same copper magnet/motor. Truly a beast to drive correctly and will suck the life out of any tube amp that ain't got the Trans and/or tubes to push the current up and out the voice coils and make the speaker sing. i kind of envision the Seas Excel drivers as a panel/electrostat but in the shape of a conventional cone.
So impedance is the resisitance of the speaker to amp. Sensitivity is how well/or poor the speaker responds to 1 pure electrical watt.
Elevick, that is odd, the Lin Sig Sys is 4 ohm BUT 92 db. Tyler somehow figured out the crossover to function at a higher rate of sensitivity.
What happens in this case is that the vol needs to be turned slightly up to achieve same results on a 8 ohm speaker. IOW my MTM Thors at 10 o clock sound at the same db as the Lin Sig Sys at with the vol at 12 o clock. WITH THE DYNAMICS BEING EXACTLY THE SAME. Jadis has done something with the process in making the trans that allows the amp to drive as their web site says "any kind of speaker"...of course I wouldn't wish to push my luck on a expensive tube amp with 4 ohm speakers. This is why I say tubes "prefer 8 ohms", its a realiability issue. Never want to over work the horse, as they say.
My next speaker will be the Tyler 3 way called the Lin Sys 2, the speaker that Sally Renyolds reviewed in Absolute Sound last Oct. She had nothing but good things to say on its performance. The dual W18's in the Thor's worked fine for past 4 yrs, now I'm ready to move up the next level and get in on some the 25-35 hz's I've been missing.
+++ I googled impedance. Its a load issue +++

If you googled it then it must be true? Okay

Have a look at Decware speakers – they’re all designed to work with 2wpc plus tube amps. Most of them are rated 4 ohms nominal. http://www.decware.com/newsite/mainmenu.htm.

Ultimately it your money and your choice how to spend it. I personally don’t have any issues with orchestral music on my system. And no, I do not have a hearing problem ;-)

Duke, sure there are exceptions (and I did state it as a “rule of thumb”), but the most tube friendly speakers are single driver non-crossover designs. If I may ask, what speakers do you build and are they designed to be used with vacuum tube amps?

Regards
Paul
Duke builds panels, which as you know require massive ss amp power.
Paul then you have a SET amp correct?
Would that be similiar to the 300 tube? Yes. I heard the 300 tube with orch, the load/complexity was overwhelming. Total shut down of the tube. A CJ mono block as well shut down on a ML panel with orch. So obviously orch overload is not limited to SET but can affect just about any tube amp, which in Push/pull config may have to do with the weakness in the trans. In SET's the weakness in "pulling off" orch may have to do with the characteristic of the 300/845/805 tube family
"Duke builds panels"

I didn't know that. Bartockfan, you are a wealth of obscure information. :-)